The answer to your question has been given over and over.
The answer is there is never a time when the 2H beats DW. It doesn't happen.
The AH will always have your level or close 1H weps that will outpace your 2Her. Always. Always. Always.
Stop being dense.
And Batman would just buy some kryptonite Batarangs and eff Superman up.
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Love it when you just take advantage of that "anonymity + audience" in www... pff.
But I stop being Dense now since u so kindly asked. I strongly think that most of people in this forum are in some guild when they play wow. Are you acting same way also in Gchat? I have never ever said that 2hander is better choice. Also have read EJ maths about this matter and about weapon speed. Thank you for your time and concern about my mental state.
Ps. Dont bother thinking that someone here could offend me. Like I would care about anonymous virtual ***** size a one bit.
But I stop being Dense now since u so kindly asked. I strongly think that most of people in this forum are in some guild when they play wow. Are you acting same way also in Gchat? I have never ever said that 2hander is better choice. Also have read EJ maths about this matter and about weapon speed. Thank you for your time and concern about my mental state.
Ps. Dont bother thinking that someone here could offend me. Like I would care about anonymous virtual ***** size a one bit.
Causa -- I haven't seen the math that says: If [2-hander] = xdps * y weapon speed then > 2 1handers with xdps * y weapon speed. I don't think anyone has done that equation, which is why no one is answering in the way you seem to desire. Common sense dictates the answer. As Galenmoon said, almost every two-hander out there can be improved upon by purchasing 2 1-handers at the AH. Yes, if you get a legendary two-hander it may be best to wield that, but what are the odds of that happening?
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-Edit. Just for fun I needed to make this edit =)
Consider this scenario and question as same category as "If batman and superman would fight, who would win?" kind of question. It will never happen and we dont have to know the answer. Now I wait for 5min and come back here to read that someone has answered this question about batman and superman ;)
Consider this scenario and question as same category as "If batman and superman would fight, who would win?" kind of question. It will never happen and we dont have to know the answer. Now I wait for 5min and come back here to read that someone has answered this question about batman and superman ;)
To the best of my knowledge Batman has fought Superman 3 times.
1. Superfriends cartoon: Superman was mind controlled and Batman had to joust with him. (what do you want, it was the Superfriends) Batman tipped his lance with kryptonite and won. Winner: Batman.
2. Dark Knight Returns: Batman goes kind of rogue and Superman is sent by Ronald Regan to take him down. Green Arrow is recruited to fire a kryptonite headed arrow at Superman and Batman starts to beat the tar out of Supes. Then he has a heart attack. Winner: Tie.
3. Batman annual. Batman brings kryptonite to the fight again. This time it doesn't help. I think Robin shows up with it and Superman takes Robin out too quickly for it to matter. Winner: Superman.
So in fact it has happened. Best match up ever.
tuskerdu wrote:
Common sense dictates the answer. As Galenmoon said, almost every two-hander out there can be improved upon by purchasing 2 1-handers at the AH. Yes, if you get a legendary two-hander it may be best to wield that, but what are the odds of that happening?
This.
In order for a two-hander to actually put out more damage over time, there would have to be a pretty substantial difference in the quality of the weapons to the point that the comparison isn't even fair anymore. If you're wielding two green one-handers and Gorehowl drops for you, yeah, you might be better off wielding the Gorehowl. But how many guilds take green-wielding Enhancement Shaman into Karazhan, much less all the way to Prince? Unless they're supremely overgeared, they don't. And even if they did, that Shaman should still be taken out back and shot because it's ridiculously easy to get a pair of decent blue one-handers at least just from doing quests and instance runs.
Yes, a comet could strike the earth in the middle of a hurricane while a volcano's erupting because Godzilla shot it with his atomic breath. That doesn't mean it's a reasonable enough scenario to be considered.
Gaudion, will you marry me? <3
I mean that's enough for me. I didn't even want any maths or bigger comparison but I just didn't have a clue how big the difference really is. Well still it's kinda shady but whacha know, I'm curious person and not all conversations need to be about matter of life and death. Ofc the AH is always place unless u got anything else but it didn't answer my question. I did not ask is there a reason or place to use. I asked the cap between dmg in these two =). End of story, I hit the bed right now...
I mean that's enough for me. I didn't even want any maths or bigger comparison but I just didn't have a clue how big the difference really is. Well still it's kinda shady but whacha know, I'm curious person and not all conversations need to be about matter of life and death. Ofc the AH is always place unless u got anything else but it didn't answer my question. I did not ask is there a reason or place to use. I asked the cap between dmg in these two =). End of story, I hit the bed right now...
(darn alla and it's double posts :-( )
Edited, Aug 20th 2008 9:58am by Galenmoon
Edited, Aug 20th 2008 9:58am by Galenmoon
Causa wrote:
C'mon Galenmoon. Anonymity + audience is not a solid reason for acting like that. I have asked twice the same and simple thing and still you ignore my question and point some stupid scenario I made to clear what I mean. It was totally far out scenario in purpose to point my question and that this has never been answered here, as far as I know.
Look Causa, here's the deal.
If you've been around this and the druid forum at all you can see that 99% of my posts are made with the complete and intent purpose of helping people out.
There really is no true definitive answer to your question. Gaudion's reply was about as good as you're going to get for a straight answer.
If you've leveled past 40 then you already have realized, or should, that weapons become obsolete pretty quickly and that even the difference in weapon damage in a 2 hander vs a couple 1 handers isn't going to widen that gap by much beyond what the difference between a pair of 2 handers or a couple sets of 1 handers.
Your best bet when it comes to a question like this is if it's really important to you, go test it out. No one can be more right in your own mind than yourself.
Causa wrote:
Can you now read this line and answer to this without pointing some irrelevant issues about some not so important side story?
If you don't like the answer you get from a question that really isn't, and again shouldn't, be an issue, then why post a "not so important side story" and then become upset when people break it down to it's irrelevance?
Causa wrote:
Please take the pea out of your nose and dont think that I'm even succesting to use 2hander as melee. (or in any other specc).
If you want me to take my time and effort to go test and subsequently theorycraft the rough estimate of where low level 1 handers is out-shown by a higher level 2 hander then perhaps you should just say that.
You could also make it look like you actually care rather than saying that you only want to know out of curiosity and then insisting on taking the high road and letting us know you don't really care but really wanna know and we are mean for saying that it's a waste of our time for doing so?
Edited, Aug 20th 2008 10:00am by Galenmoon
I swear this topic is the equivalent of breaking a beer bottle in a biker bar and yelling: "Bring it on Homos!"
I love these debates.
We all know there no real advantage dw vs 2hand. It all depends on situations your in some battles it better to 2hand other it better to dw.
We all know there no real advantage dw vs 2hand. It all depends on situations your in some battles it better to 2hand other it better to dw.
darmaster wrote:
I love these debates.
We all know there no real advantage dw vs 2hand. It all depends on situations your in some battles it better to 2hand other it better to dw.
We all know there no real advantage dw vs 2hand. It all depends on situations your in some battles it better to 2hand other it better to dw.
*Fail at inciting a riot
darmaster wrote:
I love these debates.
We all know there no real advantage dw vs 2hand. It all depends on situations your in some battles it better to 2hand other it better to dw.
We all know there no real advantage dw vs 2hand. It all depends on situations your in some battles it better to 2hand other it better to dw.
You must be the end result of a sock mating with a muppet.
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Once you read the EJ-guide one should think thats all you need to know and the whole debate is over...
And then you read the lfg-channel "enhancement shammi 220 hit lfg heroic/kara"
And you join the BG, find another Enhancement Shaman, check his gear and staring in sheer disbelief at two epic daggers from Kara...and think "hm, we might loose thise one..."
And you fight alongside full T4-Elemental Shaman in a heroic with low dps, checking recount and finally found out that this guy still thought that earthshock is one of his main DPS-sources.
I could go on, but I´m already off topic ;-)
But after the pain leaves, it´s sometimes quite funny to see all this stuff...
So yes...why not clean it up, add Gaudions :
"1. In terms of effectiveness in every aspect of the game, DW is superior to 2H. As soon as you get it. Through the end of the game. Always. Period. End of story.
2. 2H's are for people who like using 2H's. So use them for fun if you like them."
..and get it stickied
Edited, Aug 21st 2008 10:15am by Enhancemaster
And then you read the lfg-channel "enhancement shammi 220 hit lfg heroic/kara"
And you join the BG, find another Enhancement Shaman, check his gear and staring in sheer disbelief at two epic daggers from Kara...and think "hm, we might loose thise one..."
And you fight alongside full T4-Elemental Shaman in a heroic with low dps, checking recount and finally found out that this guy still thought that earthshock is one of his main DPS-sources.
I could go on, but I´m already off topic ;-)
But after the pain leaves, it´s sometimes quite funny to see all this stuff...
So yes...why not clean it up, add Gaudions :
"1. In terms of effectiveness in every aspect of the game, DW is superior to 2H. As soon as you get it. Through the end of the game. Always. Period. End of story.
2. 2H's are for people who like using 2H's. So use them for fun if you like them."
..and get it stickied
Edited, Aug 21st 2008 10:15am by Enhancemaster
*passes Enhancemaster a bucket of popcorn*
The show is probably almost over, but take a seat, stay a while.
The show is probably almost over, but take a seat, stay a while.
As an add-on to this DW > 2H post.
I would like to recommend dual Mongoose enchants on your weapons, which will probably be the Isle badge fists.
240 Agility / 2% haste. Yummy.
I would like to recommend dual Mongoose enchants on your weapons, which will probably be the Isle badge fists.
240 Agility / 2% haste. Yummy.
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