I don't know why, but I actually LIKE farming ore nodes. An hour or two of riding (hopefully soon flying) around outlands and taking all of the Fel Iron, Adamantite, and Khorium I can find is personally satisfying... especially when I get a decent amout of bonus motes/green quality gems/blue quality gems/eternium in the process.
The other day, I was in a cave killing some Ogres that were in my way when I was trying to get to a Rich Adamantite Vein. I am Prot, so I was AoE grinding the mobs to remove them from my path.
I play alliance, and while I was cleaning up the mobs, another ally came in and ninja'ed the mine before I could finish killing the last 2 mobs. If this had been a horde, I simply would have switched targets and thrown my shield, and then fought it out for the mine. HOWEVER, this was another ally, so throwing my shield at him was (sadly) not an option. He also was not in a group with me (of course).
My question is, even though he was not in my group, would it have been possible to use Blessing of Protection or Divine Intervention to force this guy into a bubble? (You cannot mine when you are bubbled!) All it says in the spell description is that it has to be used on a "friendly target" which leads me to believe I could do it to any ally whether they wanted me to or not.
Now, if I am able to do this, if the other player is smart, they will remove my bubble once they realize it is there, but this would probably take enough time for me to get to the mine.
Overall, this isn't that big of a deal since mining nodes are everywhere, but ninjas annoy me, and it would be fun to do this to them if possible. It would be REALLY fun if the ninja was a total noob and left my DI bubble on for the full 3 minutes going "WTF? I can't do ANYTHING for 3 minutes??!!??"
Now, I realize that having a mine taken from me in this way just happens sometimes, and wasting spells (especially DI) isn't really a good use of my mana, but I would like to know if it is feasible, just for fun.
Edited, Aug 12th 2008 2:12pm by jeromesimina
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Not to mention the whole... dying when you DI someone bit. Doesn't really help you get the mine if you take a trip to the nearest graveyard now does it?
In the end, the best way to answer questions is to try it.
In the end, the best way to answer questions is to try it.
Losie wrote:
Not to mention the whole... dying when you DI someone bit. Doesn't really help you get the mine if you take a trip to the nearest graveyard now does it?
In the end, the best way to answer questions is to try it.
In the end, the best way to answer questions is to try it.
Well, yes, the dying when I DI someone is inconvenient unless the mining node is IN the graveyard... point well taken! As far as the protection bubble, I may well try it the next time a ninja comes sneaking into my caves!
Both BoP and DI are party/raid only.
The only thing you can do is hope that the mobs you're fighting do AoE. Run on top of the guy, bubble, and hope they hit him with something.
The only thing you can do is hope that the mobs you're fighting do AoE. Run on top of the guy, bubble, and hope they hit him with something.
The tooltip for each spell says "targeted party member" not "friendly target."
I'm not sure whether this depends on amount of aggro but if you bubbled wouldnt the mobs start attacking him instead?
I have seen Belf pallies do this to me on QD when i go to pick up those bloodberry bush thingies.
Try this next time. If it works you may have taught that pesky character a lesson. Especially if he is a clothy lol
I hate ninjas! and that is just out of order! They could obviously tell you were trying to get to it by clearing the mobs, so they could have at least helped you. By the way, while your were fighting, did they just run straight through, get the mine and run out without fighting anything or helping you? If they did, I would have a right go at them, or report them.
That is just wrong
A lot of people call me a ninja because I sometimes choose need when rolling for an item that I do need!
And that's an amazing idea to gather a chain of mobs and run over them, then DI. That would show them not to mess with a mine i want!
And if they wanted the mine, they could have at least helped you...
I really do hate players like that...
That is just wrong
A lot of people call me a ninja because I sometimes choose need when rolling for an item that I do need!
And that's an amazing idea to gather a chain of mobs and run over them, then DI. That would show them not to mess with a mine i want!
And if they wanted the mine, they could have at least helped you...
I really do hate players like that...
Malikoshu wrote:
I hate ninjas! and that is just out of order! They could obviously tell you were trying to get to it by clearing the mobs, so they could have at least helped you. By the way, while your were fighting, did they just run straight through, get the mine and run out without fighting anything or helping you? If they did, I would have a right go at them, or report them.
That is just wrong
A lot of people call me a ninja because I sometimes choose need when rolling for an item that I do need!
And that's an amazing idea to gather a chain of mobs and run over them, then DI. That would show them not to mess with a mine i want!
And if they wanted the mine, they could have at least helped you...
I really do hate players like that...
That is just wrong
A lot of people call me a ninja because I sometimes choose need when rolling for an item that I do need!
And that's an amazing idea to gather a chain of mobs and run over them, then DI. That would show them not to mess with a mine i want!
And if they wanted the mine, they could have at least helped you...
I really do hate players like that...
They just ran in, avoided me and my mobs, and started mining the Rich Adamantite that I was working to get. No help, nothing. Did not even pause to ask if I was a miner or anything. After the whole deal was done, I said "Thanks man" (sarcastically of course), and they replied with a "No, Thank you!". Total asshattery. Basically a ninja-idiot. I may try the bubble myself thing next time to see if it does dump aggro onto them, because they certainly earned it. I did not feel that it was worth reporting, but dumping aggro onto the loser would have been fun!
Sometimes the dumping aggro thing has worked for me, other times not. Not really sure how to tell if it'll work or not, just gotta try it, but I do supremely hate people that ninja minerals and such too. There's just no good reason to do it. I put those people in the same boat as the ones that all they do in BGs is !@#$% at everyone else all game long, even when you're annihilating the other team. Takes all the fun out of what is supposed to be a fun game.
Just make sure that anytime you go for a mine, herb, etc.. that is guarded by a mob(s) you look around first to see you're alone, then go at it. And always make sure you place the mob on top of whatever it is you are trying to collect. Maybe when the jerk trying to ninja you goes to gather away they'll attack instead, then you can bubble the mob(s) off for sure ;)
EDIT: typo.
Edited, Aug 14th 2008 4:01pm by Maulgak
Just make sure that anytime you go for a mine, herb, etc.. that is guarded by a mob(s) you look around first to see you're alone, then go at it. And always make sure you place the mob on top of whatever it is you are trying to collect. Maybe when the jerk trying to ninja you goes to gather away they'll attack instead, then you can bubble the mob(s) off for sure ;)
EDIT: typo.
Edited, Aug 14th 2008 4:01pm by Maulgak
im gonna take the other side on this issue...
welcome to WoW. this is a self-sustaining community, governed by individual ethics. you essentially have no in-game rights and you dont have any claim on anything in the game.
that said, you lost that node fair and square. if you were Ret spec, you would have "walked through" those mobs and mined away in peace. you are Prot spec and thereby must make certain consessions. that node and no other node was yours to claim. in fact...mobs are not "yours" until the game allows then to be "yours". so if you are riding your horsey gathing demons on QD and i come along and Rank1 Frost Nova your collection before you hit em, those mobs beating away at you are now my mobs according to the game...i get the quest credit and the loot after you aoe em down for me.
the WoW community is NOT communistic, even though a level of sharing and cooperation is implied. it is indeed a fully function captialistic machine. if you dont believe that then go ask someone for a free Blessings Deck or see if a guild will let you in on a Sunwell run...report back when you get either of those.
in the mean time, just accept that some are not as charitable as you might want them to be...on behalf of them: sorry.
Edited, Aug 14th 2008 7:46pm by tommyguns
welcome to WoW. this is a self-sustaining community, governed by individual ethics. you essentially have no in-game rights and you dont have any claim on anything in the game.
that said, you lost that node fair and square. if you were Ret spec, you would have "walked through" those mobs and mined away in peace. you are Prot spec and thereby must make certain consessions. that node and no other node was yours to claim. in fact...mobs are not "yours" until the game allows then to be "yours". so if you are riding your horsey gathing demons on QD and i come along and Rank1 Frost Nova your collection before you hit em, those mobs beating away at you are now my mobs according to the game...i get the quest credit and the loot after you aoe em down for me.
the WoW community is NOT communistic, even though a level of sharing and cooperation is implied. it is indeed a fully function captialistic machine. if you dont believe that then go ask someone for a free Blessings Deck or see if a guild will let you in on a Sunwell run...report back when you get either of those.
in the mean time, just accept that some are not as charitable as you might want them to be...on behalf of them: sorry.
Edited, Aug 14th 2008 7:46pm by tommyguns
Don't think anyone ever said you have a "right" to something, but all the same, doesn't mean anyone has to like it.
On the flip side I did take great joy in ninjaing a node from some jack-*** that had ninjaed one from me earlier in the day. Same faction person, so he started chewing me out. "Nothing more than what you did to me, prick." That was the end of that.
Don't do it if you wouldn't like someone else doing it to you: this person learned that (at least for the time being).
On the flip side I did take great joy in ninjaing a node from some jack-*** that had ninjaed one from me earlier in the day. Same faction person, so he started chewing me out. "Nothing more than what you did to me, prick." That was the end of that.
Don't do it if you wouldn't like someone else doing it to you: this person learned that (at least for the time being).
I'm not saying they have a right to gather that mine, but It's all to do with politeness.
Compare it to a real life example. Can't think of anything at the moment (( xD )), but imagine if you were trying to get something and someone else takes it without saying a word. I dont know about you, but I would be extremely annoyed.
Especially as the ninja in question saw you were trying to get to it, and didnt help
I feel so angry now....and to think, people call me a ninja, just because I rolled need on 1 thing!
and if you ever see the annoying ninja again, and it so happens they're trying to get to a node, just run straight in and take it, and say to the ninja: 'nothing more than you did to me!' as Maulgak did.
That's quite a good idea, now i think about it :p
Compare it to a real life example. Can't think of anything at the moment (( xD )), but imagine if you were trying to get something and someone else takes it without saying a word. I dont know about you, but I would be extremely annoyed.
Especially as the ninja in question saw you were trying to get to it, and didnt help
I feel so angry now....and to think, people call me a ninja, just because I rolled need on 1 thing!
and if you ever see the annoying ninja again, and it so happens they're trying to get to a node, just run straight in and take it, and say to the ninja: 'nothing more than you did to me!' as Maulgak did.
That's quite a good idea, now i think about it :p
*Maulgak walks into a store to get a jar of pickles. He sees there is only 1 jar of pickles left, and some employee put a pallet of freight in front of it. So, he picks up a side of the pallet and begins to move it out from in front of the pickles. As he's moving the freight, Malikoshu (sorry bud =P) runs up to the shelf and grabs the jar of pickles, cackling madly, and heads to the register to pay for it ... Maulgak really wanted those pickles :(*
Real life example ;D
Real life example ;D
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cackling madly,
That must be one evil twin...xD
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and if you ever see the annoying ninja again, and it so happens they're trying to get to a node, just run straight in and take it, and say to the ninja: 'nothing more than you did to me!' as Maulgak did.
so you went from being the "victim" to going out of your way to make someone else's experience miserable. this is war mongering on a small scale. the looter was playing within the rules of the game and his own rules of ethics. to whisper him something in hopes of stirring a negative reaction could be considered harrassment.
consider this: someone on the highway cuts you off and gets in "your lane". he intended nothing other than to optimize his driving position, he wasn't trying to cause you harm. however, you feel that he came too close and honk your horn after the merge. he shows no concern. frustrated, you ride up his *** and then attempt to reclaim "your lane" by cutting him off while flippin the bird. road rage...or in the OPs case Node Rage.
I don't claim to have any "right" to any mats in the game. Technically they all belong to Blizzard anyway. However, ninja behavior is simply rude.
Anyway, the same guy tried to get an Adamantite vein from me yesterday under pretty much the same circumstances... 2 mobs on me, mine right at my feet, and he comes in and starts swinging his pick at the mine. I bubbled and dumped aggro onto him, then clicked off my bubble. I got one ore off of it, then he managed to get the other, and the lousy 2-hit mine disappeared. He did get poisoned and lose some health because of my aggro-dump, so overall it was kinda satisfying, although I doubt he learned anything. Usually those sort of people generally don't until something like that happens to them in RL. Hopefully in his case a better looking guy will ninja his GF... preferably while he is trying to ninja an ore node from me!
Edited, Aug 15th 2008 11:37am by jeromesimina
Anyway, the same guy tried to get an Adamantite vein from me yesterday under pretty much the same circumstances... 2 mobs on me, mine right at my feet, and he comes in and starts swinging his pick at the mine. I bubbled and dumped aggro onto him, then clicked off my bubble. I got one ore off of it, then he managed to get the other, and the lousy 2-hit mine disappeared. He did get poisoned and lose some health because of my aggro-dump, so overall it was kinda satisfying, although I doubt he learned anything. Usually those sort of people generally don't until something like that happens to them in RL. Hopefully in his case a better looking guy will ninja his GF... preferably while he is trying to ninja an ore node from me!
Edited, Aug 15th 2008 11:37am by jeromesimina
jeromesimina wrote:
I don't claim to have any "right" to any mats in the game. Technically they all belong to Blizzard anyway. However, ninja behavior is simply rude.
Anyway, the same guy tried to get an Adamantite vein from me yesterday under pretty much the same circumstances... 2 mobs on me, mine right at my feet, and he comes in and starts swinging his pick at the mine. I bubbled and dumped aggro onto him, then clicked off my bubble. I got one ore off of it, then he managed to get the other, and the lousy 2-hit mine disappeared. He did get poisoned and lose some health because of my aggro-dump, so overall it was kinda satisfying, although I doubt he learned anything. Usually those sort of people generally don't until something like that happens to them in RL. Hopefully in his case a better looking guy will ninja his GF... preferably while he is trying to ninja an ore node from me!
Anyway, the same guy tried to get an Adamantite vein from me yesterday under pretty much the same circumstances... 2 mobs on me, mine right at my feet, and he comes in and starts swinging his pick at the mine. I bubbled and dumped aggro onto him, then clicked off my bubble. I got one ore off of it, then he managed to get the other, and the lousy 2-hit mine disappeared. He did get poisoned and lose some health because of my aggro-dump, so overall it was kinda satisfying, although I doubt he learned anything. Usually those sort of people generally don't until something like that happens to them in RL. Hopefully in his case a better looking guy will ninja his GF... preferably while he is trying to ninja an ore node from me!
One of the relatively recent patches changed it so that a mining node is now "locked out" to other players after someone's taken a hammer to it once. Did they reverse this in 2.4.2 or something?
I think this is the wrong forum for this and ninjas will always be around. You know he could have figured you were just AoE grinding and did not care about the node. You do not own every single node in the entire game. He beat you to that one, don't get upset and find a new one.
Tommyguns wrote:
so you went from being the "victim" to going out of your way to make someone else's experience miserable. this is war mongering on a small scale. the looter was playing within the rules of the game and his own rules of ethics. to whisper him something in hopes of stirring a negative reaction could be considered harrassment.
OMFG Tommy, do you even READ the posts you bash??? This isn't the first, nor do I figure it'll be the last, time I've had to re-explain myself ...
Maulgak wrote:
On the flip side I did take great joy in ninjaing a node from some jack-*** that had ninjaed one from me earlier in the day. Same faction person, so he started chewing me out. "Nothing more than what you did to me, prick." That was the end of that.
Don't do it if you wouldn't like someone else doing it to you: this person learned that (at least for the time being).
Don't do it if you wouldn't like someone else doing it to you: this person learned that (at least for the time being).
If anything I could have stayed quiet and reported HIM for harassment. True, I chose not to, and if it happens again, hell yes I'd do the same thing. I don't condone taking something that someone else is obviously after, but if they do it to me, they deserve whatever comes to them.
Edited, Aug 15th 2008 7:05pm by Maulgak
selfishness vs malicious intent
which one were you?
which one were you?
c. Out for revenge >P
tommyguns wrote:
so you went from being the "victim" to going out of your way to make someone else's experience miserable. this is war mongering on a small scale. . . .
You're really going to great lengths to pull off this devil's advocate thing.
It's not working.
"the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
Hermann Goering, April 1946.
Hermann Goering, April 1946.
working or not, its the truth.
i'll be the first to admit i'm both the victim and victimizer. i've been on the receiving end of a stealth looter plenty of times. but, i've also been known to bubble drop on a Khorium node or tag a mob on QD that i see someone powering up a Pyro for. its a toon-eat-toon world. so don't QQ when someone doesn't sit and wait for you to finish your dance party with a cave full of mobs, as he takes the ore thats on his mini map. and don't QQ about someone buying up all the primals on the AH reselling em for double. if you do need to QQ, then pay for another subscription and sign your mother up...she can /hug you all day long.
i'll be the first to admit i'm both the victim and victimizer. i've been on the receiving end of a stealth looter plenty of times. but, i've also been known to bubble drop on a Khorium node or tag a mob on QD that i see someone powering up a Pyro for. its a toon-eat-toon world. so don't QQ when someone doesn't sit and wait for you to finish your dance party with a cave full of mobs, as he takes the ore thats on his mini map. and don't QQ about someone buying up all the primals on the AH reselling em for double. if you do need to QQ, then pay for another subscription and sign your mother up...she can /hug you all day long.
cynyck wrote:
tommyguns wrote:
so you went from being the "victim" to going out of your way to make someone else's experience miserable. this is war mongering on a small scale. . . .
You're really going to great lengths to pull off this devil's advocate thing.
It's not working.
Tommy always goes to great lengths to promote something: it either NEVER works, or it works, but only after 3 years of his own QQing.
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