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does anyone elses guild ask them to pass on cloth so that mages/locks/sp's can get it?? just because you can wear leahter?? if so do you agrue it at all?? if not has anyone ever questioned you on wearing cloth?? i have 1 item of leather along with a fellow boomkin in guild we both rolled on cloth item he won but was asked to let a clothie wear it. true it wasnt the best for him it was the belt off highking. he's mostly prekara with some kara gear atm. what would you say about it?
Let me ask you another question. What if an awesome leather caster gear drop, and your guild let the shamans roll on it?
Not that there's anything wrong with wearing cloth instead of leather, but in my opinion, it should go in priority to those who can't wear anything else. That's how my guild handles it too, and I'm fine with that.
Edit: My opinion was based on being resto most of the time (had no problem gearing up in mostly leather), and in light of the next few posts, I was probably very very wrong. Pay no attention ;)
Edited, Aug 13th 2008 7:30am by PhoenixOmbre
Not that there's anything wrong with wearing cloth instead of leather, but in my opinion, it should go in priority to those who can't wear anything else. That's how my guild handles it too, and I'm fine with that.
Edit: My opinion was based on being resto most of the time (had no problem gearing up in mostly leather), and in light of the next few posts, I was probably very very wrong. Pay no attention ;)
Edited, Aug 13th 2008 7:30am by PhoenixOmbre
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Ombre - Retired Dragoon/bard on Phoenix.
I think that clothies get preference on cloth because they can't roll against us for our leather.
You shouldn't have a problem passing on the gear. It just means that when leather caster gear drops, you'll get it. How many other leather casters are there out there?
Just my 3 cents.
Just my 3 cents.
lest see our 1 caster leather in kara to they're 13. gruuls ours 0 them 2. mags o/1 them. ssc o us 5 them. za 1 us 5 them. thats all my guild has broken into but even the higher ones aint that much diff i know only 2 leather in bt.
Here is how I get away from this. I use my healing gear. When raid buffed I have around 900 spell damage and about 2100 healing, mind you I'm resto most of the time but every once in awhile I get crazy and raid boomkin.
But if you really want to get crazy. Get healing gear with gem slots, so you gem for your appropriate stats and enchant for spell damage. You'd be surprised at what you can get your spell damage too, plus you can be in mainly leather gear.
But if you really want to get crazy. Get healing gear with gem slots, so you gem for your appropriate stats and enchant for spell damage. You'd be surprised at what you can get your spell damage too, plus you can be in mainly leather gear.
Leather caster (healer or DPS) gear is extremely rare compared to cloth. If it's an upgrade for your main spec, you should be able to roll on it/bid on it.
Also, comparing cloth/leather to leather/mail is like apples and oranges; cloth/leather gear generally has more spirit, while mail and plate generally have mp/5 and (some) spell crit. Our healing gear has stats that don't help them. For the pieces not loaded with spirit, I don't have a problem rolling against shamans and paladins.
Also, comparing cloth/leather to leather/mail is like apples and oranges; cloth/leather gear generally has more spirit, while mail and plate generally have mp/5 and (some) spell crit. Our healing gear has stats that don't help them. For the pieces not loaded with spirit, I don't have a problem rolling against shamans and paladins.
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Leather caster (healer or DPS) gear is extremely rare compared to cloth. If it's an upgrade for your main spec, you should be able to roll on it/bid on it.
Exactly. If you're only going to be rolling on Leather, don't expect to get any pieces other than the Bracers from the huntsman in Kara and the belt from Kaz´rogal in Mt Hyjal.
This isn't an issue for my guild because we use DKP. If you wish to convince them, post what you did here - just how few caster leather stuff there is. Or post a top 3 for each slot from your current progression (not counting rings, weapons etc) to show them that you've done your homework and you really do need the cloth if you are to be effective in raids. If there is an alternatitve leather item for that slot then maybe pass on the cloth, but if there is no leather item in that slot then how can they ask you to pass?
yeah i did all this already. heres what i got told by one of the officers who is mainly in charge of loot and is the raid leader. it's alittle bit of a wall though.
i dont make the new raids due to work but i still feel it's not right for the other boomkins that may go.
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Alright guys it's time for me to speak my peace about this subject, hate it if you want find it unfair or disapointing if you must.
I'm sorry if anyone feels the "right" to any gear that improves themself. But what it boils down to is even if Bliz hates any class or spec they made it with a general focus and role in mind, now if someone wants to take that class or spec to the extreme to try and gear with armor that was not ment for them I can not and will not punish the correct class by allowing a different spec to roll on said item.
I will not allow a Ret pally to roll on thee best melee dps item if it was leather because our feral dps and rogue group were the classes ment for that item. A pally has 3 tiers of armor to pull from where the armor ment for them might use some of its values put into Int/mp5 or +spell it has less agi to no agi and little strength, in the grand picture it will not top thier Melee dps BUT increases the amount of time they can use the abilities that make a ret pally key to a raid keeping judgements up so the raid benifets from those spells. Where the pally will not top dps meters in essance the extra dps he makes other people do is his dps. If he is wearing plate with better +stam and +armor and stays alive longer then if he was in leather dps gear then his role is solid he won't die he will do his part as a whole.
Same goes for boomkin, Your class your spec is NOT a not high end dps role you are even called balance for a reason you are the jack of all trades for a druid, you gotta go into bear form and try to off tank because of a problem you need to be in top end leather gear not cloth, if you run out of mana in boomkin your boomkin form has the ability to get mana back while MELEE dpsing why are you not focusing in feral gear? You guys can spot heal why not focus on half healing gear and the other half dps gear?
As I said if someone wishes to take a char that was created in the aspect to be one thing and take that one class that one spec to the extreme to be "top dog" or think thier role is pure dps not function or balance or raid usefulness I will not punish the cloth dps casters by allowing Balance druids, Elemental Shammy's, or some crazy hunter who thinks +spell damage is uber great for his arcane shot to take the gear that was created for a cloth dps class. That cloth dps class cannot change spec on a whim and become something that needs a compelety different set of gear. A mage can never do that a lock can never do that, only class/spec that can change that roll is a Spriest that goes healer. But still can only wear cloth.
I am deeply sorry for anyone who is or gets upset over this. I am tryng to follow the bigger picture. Now that does not stop any cloth dps from passing on any items if they feel it is either a side grade or such a small upgrade that they would rather see it goto a different class that could find it useful. It is up to the raid as a whole to look at understand and work together. Help each other succeed, if you are in it for your own greedy gains perhaps you need to think over trying to work as a team a unit a whole. We are in it to enjoy the game play and win not to only get what one person feels is the best piece of pixels for them.
I'm sorry if anyone feels the "right" to any gear that improves themself. But what it boils down to is even if Bliz hates any class or spec they made it with a general focus and role in mind, now if someone wants to take that class or spec to the extreme to try and gear with armor that was not ment for them I can not and will not punish the correct class by allowing a different spec to roll on said item.
I will not allow a Ret pally to roll on thee best melee dps item if it was leather because our feral dps and rogue group were the classes ment for that item. A pally has 3 tiers of armor to pull from where the armor ment for them might use some of its values put into Int/mp5 or +spell it has less agi to no agi and little strength, in the grand picture it will not top thier Melee dps BUT increases the amount of time they can use the abilities that make a ret pally key to a raid keeping judgements up so the raid benifets from those spells. Where the pally will not top dps meters in essance the extra dps he makes other people do is his dps. If he is wearing plate with better +stam and +armor and stays alive longer then if he was in leather dps gear then his role is solid he won't die he will do his part as a whole.
Same goes for boomkin, Your class your spec is NOT a not high end dps role you are even called balance for a reason you are the jack of all trades for a druid, you gotta go into bear form and try to off tank because of a problem you need to be in top end leather gear not cloth, if you run out of mana in boomkin your boomkin form has the ability to get mana back while MELEE dpsing why are you not focusing in feral gear? You guys can spot heal why not focus on half healing gear and the other half dps gear?
As I said if someone wishes to take a char that was created in the aspect to be one thing and take that one class that one spec to the extreme to be "top dog" or think thier role is pure dps not function or balance or raid usefulness I will not punish the cloth dps casters by allowing Balance druids, Elemental Shammy's, or some crazy hunter who thinks +spell damage is uber great for his arcane shot to take the gear that was created for a cloth dps class. That cloth dps class cannot change spec on a whim and become something that needs a compelety different set of gear. A mage can never do that a lock can never do that, only class/spec that can change that roll is a Spriest that goes healer. But still can only wear cloth.
I am deeply sorry for anyone who is or gets upset over this. I am tryng to follow the bigger picture. Now that does not stop any cloth dps from passing on any items if they feel it is either a side grade or such a small upgrade that they would rather see it goto a different class that could find it useful. It is up to the raid as a whole to look at understand and work together. Help each other succeed, if you are in it for your own greedy gains perhaps you need to think over trying to work as a team a unit a whole. We are in it to enjoy the game play and win not to only get what one person feels is the best piece of pixels for them.
i dont make the new raids due to work but i still feel it's not right for the other boomkins that may go.
That entire quote is ridiculous; your raid leader has no idea how itemization works. I especially enjoy the part about how Balance Druids need to tank in an emergency.
That whole officer argument is based on how each class has it's own gear beacuase that's how Blizz designed it...
Tell him that according to blizz's design moonkins can wear cloth. If they did'nt want moonkin to wear cloth they would have made cloth unusable for moonkins, like some crafted items are unusable to you even if you can wear cloth. It's a lame excuse, but it not any more lame then his original argument, and follows the same logic.
Also, tell him that blizz intended us to consider if we want more armor or more spell damage.
And tell him to roll a moonkin for a while, so he learns first hand something about moonkin itemeztion.
Oh, And remind him it's a game, and he's not REALLY an officer IRL.
Tell him that according to blizz's design moonkins can wear cloth. If they did'nt want moonkin to wear cloth they would have made cloth unusable for moonkins, like some crafted items are unusable to you even if you can wear cloth. It's a lame excuse, but it not any more lame then his original argument, and follows the same logic.
Also, tell him that blizz intended us to consider if we want more armor or more spell damage.
And tell him to roll a moonkin for a while, so he learns first hand something about moonkin itemeztion.
Oh, And remind him it's a game, and he's not REALLY an officer IRL.
Before I had even stepped into Kara, or any raid for that matter as a boomkin. A whole hell of a lot of my gear was cloth, and now that I have done raids a lot of my off set gear is cloth for when I'm a boomkin.
This officer is a total jerk and doesn't even begin to understand how you roll a druid.
Jack of all trades; yes, master of some, but not all.
I don't do this very often, but it's time to point out this idiot's fallacies.
When I'm in boomkin form with my gear thats mainly cloth I still have over 10k armor. Boomkins don't tank unless you're actually trying to panzerkin, panzer is a type of tank for those of you who are wondering, not all druids are spec'd to tank. So don't immediately assume that a druid can tank. THE ONLY time I can think of a boomkin ever tanking, is in gruul's high king pull so people aren't getting polymorphed.
With a staff swinging once every what... 2.5 seconds? And the general amount of mana back per swing being between 60-80 and starfire costing about 331 I believe at 70. That would put you about 6-8 seconds of swinging at something to get mana back for one spell, this is of course including your mp5.
Focusing in feral gear means lower dps, therefor you're slowing down the raid because as a boomkin getting to 600 dps isn't that hard of a thing to do. If he wanted a feral druid, bring a feral druid not a boomkin.
He's basically telling you to be a restokin, so if the healers in your raid suck that bad, why not ask you to just go full resto and save the trouble. Boomkin heals are completely nerfed, even when I'm in my healing gear which is over 1900 heals my lifebloom only tics for 550ish with a 3 stack, which I'm sorry isn't enough to keep a tank up.
Your raid leader is a total, complete and utter moron.
/elitist off
This officer is a total jerk and doesn't even begin to understand how you roll a druid.
Jack of all trades; yes, master of some, but not all.
I don't do this very often, but it's time to point out this idiot's fallacies.
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Your class your spec is NOT a not high end dps role you are even called balance for a reason you are the jack of all trades for a druid, you gotta go into bear form and try to off tank because of a problem you need to be in top end leather gear not cloth,
When I'm in boomkin form with my gear thats mainly cloth I still have over 10k armor. Boomkins don't tank unless you're actually trying to panzerkin, panzer is a type of tank for those of you who are wondering, not all druids are spec'd to tank. So don't immediately assume that a druid can tank. THE ONLY time I can think of a boomkin ever tanking, is in gruul's high king pull so people aren't getting polymorphed.
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if you run out of mana in boomkin your boomkin form has the ability to get mana back while MELEE dpsing why are you not focusing in feral gear?
With a staff swinging once every what... 2.5 seconds? And the general amount of mana back per swing being between 60-80 and starfire costing about 331 I believe at 70. That would put you about 6-8 seconds of swinging at something to get mana back for one spell, this is of course including your mp5.
Focusing in feral gear means lower dps, therefor you're slowing down the raid because as a boomkin getting to 600 dps isn't that hard of a thing to do. If he wanted a feral druid, bring a feral druid not a boomkin.
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You guys can spot heal why not focus on half healing gear and the other half dps gear?
He's basically telling you to be a restokin, so if the healers in your raid suck that bad, why not ask you to just go full resto and save the trouble. Boomkin heals are completely nerfed, even when I'm in my healing gear which is over 1900 heals my lifebloom only tics for 550ish with a 3 stack, which I'm sorry isn't enough to keep a tank up.
Your raid leader is a total, complete and utter moron.
/elitist off
The short version is, he's an idiot. The longer version is that he's a blithering idiot that hasn't figured out that hybrid classes still need spec-appropriate gear. Even if a Ret pally or Feral druid isn't topping the DPS charts, they still need to do the most DPS they can along with providing their group buffs.
For RareBeast, my guild uses DKP too. This could still come up with an idiot RL (which we don't have) that won't let people bid on gear that's not for "their" class. The way we handle things is to open bidding first to main spec, then to off spec. We might say in raid chat whether something is better for class X or Y, but if it's for your main spec, you can bid on it.
For RareBeast, my guild uses DKP too. This could still come up with an idiot RL (which we don't have) that won't let people bid on gear that's not for "their" class. The way we handle things is to open bidding first to main spec, then to off spec. We might say in raid chat whether something is better for class X or Y, but if it's for your main spec, you can bid on it.
If my GM said that, I'd start looking for a new guild who doesn't have a keyboard turner for a Leader.
Edited, Aug 14th 2008 1:42am by Micros
Edited, Aug 14th 2008 1:42am by Micros
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For RareBeast, my guild uses DKP too. This could still come up with an idiot RL
Hopefully we don't have either (seeing it is usually me) :) Perhaps I better ask aroung, just in case :)
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Alright guys it's time for me to speak my peace...
*mind boggles*
Your raid leader isnt Andy Kaufman, is he? Because I feel like the jokes on me for reading it and trying to take it at face value.
This is kindof the opposite of that story that came out recently about the Sunwell raid giving the Legendary Bow to a Rogue over 2 Hunters because they hadnt been in the guild as long. Indefensable no matter how you look at it, but the person making the call on this stuff only digs the hole deeper by trying to explain themselves.
Your officer is quite a douchebag. From heroics up to Black Temple there are only 5 pieces of epic leather caster dps. I see no reason why we should support Blizz´s lack of attention and hide under Blizz´s itemization if it is in our power to offer fairness to all. I find it extremely unfair to force some people to farm hundreds of badges so they can be up to par with the other classes who get it easy via raid loot.
Telling a moonkin they can't roll on cloth because they can wear leather is the equivalent of telling a warlock they can't roll on staves because they can wear swords. You might remind your guild of this fact.
Really.....all I could do was lulz the entire time I was reading it.
You should post this in as many forums as you can and maybe send a copy to your GL so he knows what kinda idiots he has Raid Leading.
People like this should be kicked in the teeth and have their soul crushed :-)
You should post this in as many forums as you can and maybe send a copy to your GL so he knows what kinda idiots he has Raid Leading.
People like this should be kicked in the teeth and have their soul crushed :-)
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Posted: Aug 22 2008 at 5:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I had to comment on this. I am so tired of ppl not willing to put time and work into there toon. Whats the diff it it takes badge gear to gear a Moonkin, it's there so gear him up. Every body wants gear just handed to them in raids instead of actually have to work for some of it. What ever happened to the days where you got to 70 ran and ran till you could do heroics then ran till you were geared enough to run Kara now these weak minded lazy ppl run a couple instances at 70 and boom there ready for raiding no attunements or nothing. So they have a chance to get gear which alot of is just below T6 lvl and they whine they have to run heroics for it. Thats what I call damn lazy.
punkspider, ****** Superhero wrote:
does anyone elses guild ask them to pass on cloth so that mages/locks/sp's can get it?? just because you can wear leahter?? if so do you agrue it at all?? if not has anyone ever questioned you on wearing cloth?? i have 1 item of leather along with a fellow boomkin in guild we both rolled on cloth item he won but was asked to let a clothie wear it. true it wasnt the best for him it was the belt off highking. he's mostly prekara with some kara gear atm. what would you say about it?
The point is his GL won't let him roll on ANY caster cloth because 'druids wear leather.' If all he wears is leather, from raids he'll have a total of 3 pieces, and that's if they go high end. If they're only at SSC/Eye, there's just bracers in Kara. The point is, why should he put in the effort of raiding and not get rewards he can use? He's not being lazy, he's being exploited.
#23REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 22 2008 at 6:06 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Exploited lol, I have never rolled on cloth gear being resto or moonkin. This issue with Moonkin gear is not new maybe someone should consider this before rolling one. Ppl who want to roll on cloth are not even using Moonkins for what they are intended for. Meaning raid support they want to be just a DPSer. I also see some moonkins do fine with alot of PVP gear. I can't see trying to tank an add I have to grab because it was a sheeped but got dotted up in cloth. I know the gear is limited to begin with and there is nothing wrong with getting cloth when clothies don't need it to get you going. But to take it from someone who only can wear cloth seems foolish. Just to let you know I personally do not have a clothie I am the proud owner of two druids, one ferral and the other resto/balance.
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Exploited lol, I have never rolled on cloth gear being resto or moonkin. This issue with Moonkin gear is not new maybe someone should consider this before rolling one.
So you're honestly saying because Moonkin can wear leather they should only wear leather? That's stupid. That was never the case in Classic WoW and isn't the case now. Remember Paladins in Classic WoW? The lack of Plate healing meant they'd roll on any other type of healing gear, even cloth.
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Ppl who want to roll on cloth are not even using Moonkins for what they are intended for. Meaning raid support they want to be just a DPSer.
you're an idiot. Balance isn't the Disc tree on Druids, it's the caster DPS and you're fooling yourself if you're thinking otherwise. Yes Moonkins are great support and I love the ability to shift out of my feathers and throw heals up when needed, but saying Moonkin are only raid support is retarded.
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I also see some moonkins do fine with alot of PVP gear.
And now you're even more of an idiot. ANY class does "fine" in pvp gear. But PvE gear is always better than equal level PvP gear. It'll be a good replacement until something better drops, but it's not as good as PvE gear. you trade the mana NEEDED by Moonkins for Stamina which is largly useless in a raiding environment.
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I can't see trying to tank an add I have to grab because it was a sheeped but got dotted up in cloth.
Moonkin, with the exception of ones in the 'Panzerkin' talent spec with vastly superior gear, are not designed to, and cannot tank most anything in Raids. Wearing cloth instead of Leather still gives us a massive boost, but the main point of a Moonkin, like every other caster class is not to be hit.
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I know the gear is limited to begin with and there is nothing wrong with getting cloth when clothies don't need it to get you going. But to take it from someone who only can wear cloth seems foolish.
So because you can wear leather means you cannot roll need on cloth despite the fact that there is NOTHING else for a Moonkin in raids short of three pieces? You honestly believe that out of all raids they can only get bracers, a belt, and (if I'm correct) a second set of bracers? You're a complete tool.
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Just to let you know I personally do not have a clothie I am the proud owner of two druids, one ferral and the other resto/balance.
I've got a Mage, Lock, Priest, Boomkin and a Hunter.
What does that have to do with anything?
I love it when someone ruffles Micros feathers all up.
But hey, you know I don't want to wear cloth because it lowers my armor... /sarcasmoff. Here we go again this is why you're wrong. Yes, going boomkin takes time to get geared but the funny thing about is you CAN wear cloth. I took the liberty of adding up all the boomkin badge gear you can get from JUST the shat vendor. So here it is, the total amount of badges you would need to strictly load your boomkin with all badge gear... SURVERY SAYS!!!!! 530 badges. Now if you're honestly telling me to put that much work into gearing my boomkin with all leather. I have a few choice words for you, some of them include go to hell, you're an idiot, and you have no clue what you're talking about.
Rolling on cloth doesnt make you lazy, rolling on cloth makes you better your raid party, yourself and your dps. I've also ran many heroics in fact thats how I geared myself starting out as a resto druid. I'm sorry, but doing a couple of heroics at 70 doesn't make you ready for a raid. If you think this, you've never been in a raiding guild. The raiding guild I'm in is a laid back raiding guild and even we won't take a fresh 70 to any of our 25 mans. Hell, my kara group, which has had kara on farm forever, still won't take fresh 70's. We take one or two 70's that is actually ready for Kara. As far as attunements go, I've been playing for about 6 months I'm post vanilla wow and guess what. I have MC, Onyxia and omg, the SSC attunement.
That's what I like to call a damn falacy. See, the word means false. Which is exactly what you're words are. False.
I had no idea that in end game boomkin gear would be so scarce. Sorry I didn't completely break out my nerd pants and research the hell out of my class before I rolled one. Many new players are going to go with a class because they think it's cool or it looks like fun to play, like I did. Assuming that everyone researches the class before they play one is by far the most naive thing you could assume. There is a saying "When you assume, you make an *** of you and me." So please, tell all these 10 year old kids who pick up wow that they need to research their druid first and see how many start playing Halo or some other game.
If you've never rolled on cloth gear, you're nigh short of an idiot (I have no idea how many times I'll reiterate that fact). As for the whole exploited issue, Micros is correct, he is being exploited. I don't go to raids as a boomkin thinking, "Hey guys, I'll give you a pretty sweet 5% crit chance buff and a bres... But hey don't expect me to dps very well because I only roll on leather caster gear, which is almost nonexistant." I go to a raid as boomkin thinking "Ok, so I'm gonna give you this sweet *** 5% crit chance, that shammie is going to give me another 3% plus heroism and I'm gonna end up having a 45% crit chance and you'll see a boomkin start tearing up faces on the dps chart... Oh and if needed I'll throw down my epic battle res skillz and my rockin' innervate to keep that healer healing."
You're passive attitude about boomkins sickens me.
I'll refer you to my previous post about badge gear. Its the same deal here. But because I'm at work, getting paid to prove you wrong I'm going to add up how many honor points and badges you need to get a full set of boomkin pvp gear! Since I love doing this, SURVEY SAYS!!!! 200,351 honor, 100 AB Marks, 70 WSG Marks, 80 AV Marks, 60 EOTS Marks. The even better part about this, is it's all the S2 gear and the mediocre pvp gear. I even probably forgot some stuff. Now if you are seriously telling people to grind that much honor for leather pvp gear I must el-oh-el at you. There is no doubt that moonkins do just fine in pvp gear but no one should be subject to that much grinding to get into a raid.
Remove curse, Cure Poison, Dispel, Purify, Cleanse? Wow what happened to your other support characters? If you're tanking an add as a boomkin you have terrible tanks. Or healers. And to burst your little bubble, I have over 10k armor as a boomkin in cloth and just messing around I've tanked mobs in kara just fine.
I roll on cloth as a boomkin. I hope that one stings. You seem to have this attitude that boomkins don't dps and should just be purely for support which is not true. I roll on cloth because I can actually crank out 700 dps in raids. The best part about that is I'm not even that well geared, raid buffed I have 1k bonus damage. So imagine what a boomkin who is actually geared up with 1200 and on for bonus damage and around a 40% crit rate. Scotty, I think we're breaching the 1k dps mark.
One more thing about rolling on cloth, if you've ever done any 25 man raiding you'll know that a clothie will always be there and in need of a cloth drop. So you're pretty much limiting yourself to never getting a caster dps piece by saying this.
Gearing feral isn't near as hard as gearing straight balance. You're comparing apples to oranges. You say you have two druids? I doubt this, or neither of them are 70. That's like me saying I have ten characters, but only one is 70. You say you have a resto/balance druid, just for the sake of arguement. We'll consider you a restokin leaning towards healing gear. You're gear is completely different. An emphasis on healing gear, which has more leather drops would net you more armor yes, but you'd still be supplementing with cloth gear. If you were a restokin leaning more towards damage, you in fact would STILL wear cloth! Because you can't gear straight leather w/o endless days of raiding.
Oh and to really really grind your gears. I'm normally a resto druid with 1970 heals but I just so happened to be spec'd into boomkin right now and here is my armory... Check out my sweet cloth gear. Oh and to put the icing on the cake.
I rolled on it against clothies and won. Shizzam!
Edit: I just looked at my gear on my armory, and man, I have the craziest mess of pvp/pve/dps/healing gear on. But it all adds up to the most amount of bonus damage I can get.
Edited, Aug 23rd 2008 12:38pm by ArexLovesPie
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I had to comment on this. I am so tired of ppl not willing to put time and work into there toon. Whats the diff it it takes badge gear to gear a Moonkin, it's there so gear him up.
But hey, you know I don't want to wear cloth because it lowers my armor... /sarcasmoff. Here we go again this is why you're wrong. Yes, going boomkin takes time to get geared but the funny thing about is you CAN wear cloth. I took the liberty of adding up all the boomkin badge gear you can get from JUST the shat vendor. So here it is, the total amount of badges you would need to strictly load your boomkin with all badge gear... SURVERY SAYS!!!!! 530 badges. Now if you're honestly telling me to put that much work into gearing my boomkin with all leather. I have a few choice words for you, some of them include go to hell, you're an idiot, and you have no clue what you're talking about.
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Every body wants gear just handed to them in raids instead of actually have to work for some of it. What ever happened to the days where you got to 70 ran and ran till you could do heroics then ran till you were geared enough to run Kara now these weak minded lazy ppl run a couple instances at 70 and boom there ready for raiding no attunements or nothing.
Rolling on cloth doesnt make you lazy, rolling on cloth makes you better your raid party, yourself and your dps. I've also ran many heroics in fact thats how I geared myself starting out as a resto druid. I'm sorry, but doing a couple of heroics at 70 doesn't make you ready for a raid. If you think this, you've never been in a raiding guild. The raiding guild I'm in is a laid back raiding guild and even we won't take a fresh 70 to any of our 25 mans. Hell, my kara group, which has had kara on farm forever, still won't take fresh 70's. We take one or two 70's that is actually ready for Kara. As far as attunements go, I've been playing for about 6 months I'm post vanilla wow and guess what. I have MC, Onyxia and omg, the SSC attunement.
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Thats what I call damn lazy.
That's what I like to call a damn falacy. See, the word means false. Which is exactly what you're words are. False.
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Exploited lol, I have never rolled on cloth gear being resto or moonkin. This issue with Moonkin gear is not new maybe someone should consider this before rolling one.
I had no idea that in end game boomkin gear would be so scarce. Sorry I didn't completely break out my nerd pants and research the hell out of my class before I rolled one. Many new players are going to go with a class because they think it's cool or it looks like fun to play, like I did. Assuming that everyone researches the class before they play one is by far the most naive thing you could assume. There is a saying "When you assume, you make an *** of you and me." So please, tell all these 10 year old kids who pick up wow that they need to research their druid first and see how many start playing Halo or some other game.
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Ppl who want to roll on cloth are not even using Moonkins for what they are intended for. Meaning raid support they want to be just a DPSer.
If you've never rolled on cloth gear, you're nigh short of an idiot (I have no idea how many times I'll reiterate that fact). As for the whole exploited issue, Micros is correct, he is being exploited. I don't go to raids as a boomkin thinking, "Hey guys, I'll give you a pretty sweet 5% crit chance buff and a bres... But hey don't expect me to dps very well because I only roll on leather caster gear, which is almost nonexistant." I go to a raid as boomkin thinking "Ok, so I'm gonna give you this sweet *** 5% crit chance, that shammie is going to give me another 3% plus heroism and I'm gonna end up having a 45% crit chance and you'll see a boomkin start tearing up faces on the dps chart... Oh and if needed I'll throw down my epic battle res skillz and my rockin' innervate to keep that healer healing."
You're passive attitude about boomkins sickens me.
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I also see some moonkins do fine with alot of PVP gear.
I'll refer you to my previous post about badge gear. Its the same deal here. But because I'm at work, getting paid to prove you wrong I'm going to add up how many honor points and badges you need to get a full set of boomkin pvp gear! Since I love doing this, SURVEY SAYS!!!! 200,351 honor, 100 AB Marks, 70 WSG Marks, 80 AV Marks, 60 EOTS Marks. The even better part about this, is it's all the S2 gear and the mediocre pvp gear. I even probably forgot some stuff. Now if you are seriously telling people to grind that much honor for leather pvp gear I must el-oh-el at you. There is no doubt that moonkins do just fine in pvp gear but no one should be subject to that much grinding to get into a raid.
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I can't see trying to tank an add I have to grab because it was a sheeped but got dotted up in cloth.
Remove curse, Cure Poison, Dispel, Purify, Cleanse? Wow what happened to your other support characters? If you're tanking an add as a boomkin you have terrible tanks. Or healers. And to burst your little bubble, I have over 10k armor as a boomkin in cloth and just messing around I've tanked mobs in kara just fine.
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I know the gear is limited to begin with and there is nothing wrong with getting cloth when clothies don't need it to get you going. But to take it from someone who only can wear cloth seems foolish.
I roll on cloth as a boomkin. I hope that one stings. You seem to have this attitude that boomkins don't dps and should just be purely for support which is not true. I roll on cloth because I can actually crank out 700 dps in raids. The best part about that is I'm not even that well geared, raid buffed I have 1k bonus damage. So imagine what a boomkin who is actually geared up with 1200 and on for bonus damage and around a 40% crit rate. Scotty, I think we're breaching the 1k dps mark.
One more thing about rolling on cloth, if you've ever done any 25 man raiding you'll know that a clothie will always be there and in need of a cloth drop. So you're pretty much limiting yourself to never getting a caster dps piece by saying this.
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Just to let you know I personally do not have a clothie I am the proud owner of two druids, one ferral and the other resto/balance.
Gearing feral isn't near as hard as gearing straight balance. You're comparing apples to oranges. You say you have two druids? I doubt this, or neither of them are 70. That's like me saying I have ten characters, but only one is 70. You say you have a resto/balance druid, just for the sake of arguement. We'll consider you a restokin leaning towards healing gear. You're gear is completely different. An emphasis on healing gear, which has more leather drops would net you more armor yes, but you'd still be supplementing with cloth gear. If you were a restokin leaning more towards damage, you in fact would STILL wear cloth! Because you can't gear straight leather w/o endless days of raiding.
Oh and to really really grind your gears. I'm normally a resto druid with 1970 heals but I just so happened to be spec'd into boomkin right now and here is my armory... Check out my sweet cloth gear. Oh and to put the icing on the cake.
I rolled on it against clothies and won. Shizzam!
Edit: I just looked at my gear on my armory, and man, I have the craziest mess of pvp/pve/dps/healing gear on. But it all adds up to the most amount of bonus damage I can get.
Edited, Aug 23rd 2008 12:38pm by ArexLovesPie
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Posted: Aug 23 2008 at 1:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wow you really think your the cream of the crop. if your done telling me what I am I would like say I am not a restokin I raid resto most of the time and for fun or when needed spec Moonkin and yes both my druids are 70
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