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#1 Aug 10 2008 at 12:42 PM Rating: Decent
I have read in a lot of places that because of hunters' reputation, it is almost impossible to get into raid and instance groups, is this true? Also, ive been on wowwiki and under almost every class, they have changes for the new expansion coming out, but not yet for hunters. Is there a place I can find any infor about talent and ability changes?
#2 Aug 10 2008 at 12:51 PM Rating: Good
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Yes, hunters have a bad reputation. No, it's not impossible to get into a raid group. Well, it might be more difficult to get into T4 and possibly T5-level raid groups, because hunters are just so common. However, if you play well, have a good attitude and run into the right people, it's not too difficult to change a person's mind about us. If you manage to get enough gear, T6 guilds all over the place just seem to have a shortage of good hunters. I know my server is. Lol, one of the 9/9 BT, 2/6 SW guilds was trying to recruit me, while I'm trying to recruit another hunter or two for my guild.

Everyone knows in the back of their heads that not ALL hunters are crappy. It's just harder to find one that isn't retarded.

And there's a lot of hunter information on wotlkwiki.com here.
#3 Aug 10 2008 at 4:24 PM Rating: Decent
ProjectMidnight wrote:
Yes, hunters have a bad reputation. No, it's not impossible to get into a raid group. Well, it might be more difficult to get into T4 and possibly T5-level raid groups, because hunters are just so common. However, if you play well, have a good attitude and run into the right people, it's not too difficult to change a person's mind about us. If you manage to get enough gear, T6 guilds all over the place just seem to have a shortage of good hunters. I know my server is. Lol, one of the 9/9 BT, 2/6 SW guilds was trying to recruit me, while I'm trying to recruit another hunter or two for my guild.

Everyone knows in the back of their heads that not ALL hunters are crappy. It's just harder to find one that isn't retarded.

And there's a lot of hunter information on wotlkwiki.com here.


I think this is mostly because BM hunters become Jesus with a Minigun in T6 content.


You can also find hunter talent changes and abilities on WoWhead.
#4 Aug 10 2008 at 4:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Admiral BlackRevolution wrote:
I think this is mostly because BM hunters become Jesus with a Minigun in T6 content.


I'm still trying to figure that one out. I'm usually 3-4 on the charts in Hyjal and Black Temple. But last night, my guild went back to farm SSC for some of our newer members, and I topped every boss by a huge margin- except for Hydross because he's immune to Lightning Breath- but I still got 2nd on that.... Oh, and on Morogrim, because I got tombed at a really bad time. I was 2nd until I died on that- even with the AoE.

edit: Maybe it was because I actually got a spot in the Feral Druid group. BM hunter with 40% crit and a Wind Serpent = Win. My pet was doing over 400 DPS.

Edited, Aug 10th 2008 8:55pm by ProjectMidnight
#5 Aug 10 2008 at 5:15 PM Rating: Default
ProjectMidnight wrote:
Admiral BlackRevolution wrote:
I think this is mostly because BM hunters become Jesus with a Minigun in T6 content.


I'm still trying to figure that one out. I'm usually 3-4 on the charts in Hyjal and Black Temple. But last night, my guild went back to farm SSC for some of our newer members, and I topped every boss by a huge margin- except for Hydross because he's immune to Lightning Breath- but I still got 2nd on that.... Oh, and on Morogrim, because I got tombed at a really bad time. I was 2nd until I died on that- even with the AoE.

edit: Maybe it was because I actually got a spot in the Feral Druid group. BM hunter with 40% crit and a Wind Serpent = Win. My pet was doing over 400 DPS.

Edited, Aug 10th 2008 8:55pm by ProjectMidnight


3-4 isn't bad IMO. That's actually pretty damn good in a 25 man raid, no?
#6 Aug 10 2008 at 11:33 PM Rating: Decent
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I know that it's not that bad. It's just that in T5 content, I dominate the charts- by a lot. In T6, I have a few mages and a warlock that really give me a run for my money. Going from destroying the charts to struggling to get 2nd just pokes a little hole in my ego.

At least my pet out DPSes my main tank now ._.
#7 Aug 11 2008 at 1:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's just that in T5 content, I dominate the charts- by a lot. In T6, I have a few mages and a warlock that really give me a run for my money.


I've only gone into the first part of Hyjal and nada in BT, but I know the first part of Hyjal highly favors AoE damage classes. The mages and locks in my guild can build up huge dps leads on those trash waves.

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Everyone knows in the back of their heads that not ALL hunters are crappy. It's just harder to find one that isn't retarded.


In my opinion, the whole root of the "huntard" thing is the misconception that playing a hunter is easy-mode. The class actually involves a lot of understanding of game mechanics, itemization, etc. to play it well. Sure, at times playing a hunter is mashing a macro, but, getting to the point where you have the gear and understand which macro you need to use, etc. isn't something every hunter figures out (even if you try to spoon feed it to them) or takes the time to try to understand.

I also think that the huntard label is sort of a cultural phenomenon. It began way back when and is perpetuated by repetition. But, I have seen __(insert class)__tards in pretty much every class and spec. For whatever reason, the huntard label sticks, partly because there are a lot of hunters out there. The larger the overall population pool, the more huntards there are, even if the proportion of 'tards' is the same as every other class.

As far as getting a raid spot. I don't think it's really much different than any other class. You need to find a guild and become a known entity that can produce. That usually takes time no matter what. The higher content you go into, it may become harder and harder to get recruited, but the pyrimidal structure of weeding people out makes this true of most classes anyway.



Edited, Aug 11th 2008 3:04pm by azwing
#8 Aug 11 2008 at 4:24 PM Rating: Decent
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azwing wrote:
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It's just that in T5 content, I dominate the charts- by a lot. In T6, I have a few mages and a warlock that really give me a run for my money.


I've only gone into the first part of Hyjal and nada in BT, but I know the first part of Hyjal highly favors AoE damage classes. The mages and locks in my guild can build up huge dps leads on those trash waves.


It would be stupid to try to compare single-target DPS to AoE on Hyjal trash. It's the boss fights that the casters start doing better on.
#9 Aug 12 2008 at 9:53 AM Rating: Good
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You must be raiding a different Hyjal than my guild is, or your strategy is a lot different.

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It's the boss fights that the casters start doing better on.


That's not my experience at all. The mages and warlocks do huge dps in the AoE trash pulls. But, the hunters (all BM) in the raid (myself included) catch up on the bosses, big time.

Maybe it has to do with raid composition, I don't know. We usually run Hyjal with a pally tank that collects everything and the AoE goes to town. The hunters are usually assisting the off-tank on the Necromancers.
#10 Aug 12 2008 at 11:18 AM Rating: Decent
azwing wrote:
You must be raiding a different Hyjal than my guild is, or your strategy is a lot different.

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It's the boss fights that the casters start doing better on.


That's not my experience at all. The mages and warlocks do huge dps in the AoE trash pulls. But, the hunters (all BM) in the raid (myself included) catch up on the bosses, big time.

Maybe it has to do with raid composition, I don't know. We usually run Hyjal with a pally tank that collects everything and the AoE goes to town. The hunters are usually assisting the off-tank on the Necromancers.


I would see this to be more logical actually. Hunter's are better at single target damage rather than multiple mobs at once. Whereas mages and locks can do quite a bit more than we can.
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