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#1 Aug 06 2008 at 5:23 AM Rating: Decent
Hey guys... Just wanted to know if you guys could take a look at my stuff and tell me what I need to work on as my guild progresses.

We're currently clearing kara weekly with no problems, have gruuls/mag/VR on farm and are working on the rest of TK and SSC

I'm usually averaging 800-900 DPS but I'm down around 7-10 for damage done. I'm mostly MM spec and have been thinking about going back to 41/20 but I'm not sure about losing silencing shot...

here is the spam macro I'm using atm:

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast [target=pettarget,exists] Kill Command
/cast Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear();

I throw in aimed shots, multi shots when there's no CC and keep up scorpid sting.

link to my armory:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Greymane&n=Loreelgas

I'm working on upgrading to Shoulders of Lightning Reflexes here very soon also.

also need to get a scope for my gun- it's new :)

thanks in advance everyone...happy hunting

-paul
#2 Aug 06 2008 at 5:33 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm pretty sure that most people here are going to say, yes respec to 41/20. I've never stepped into a herioc yet nor Kara and I am over 800 DPS (including my pet, about 600+/200+ breakdown between myself and Spot). My gear isn't anywhere near yours so I'm guessing its the spec.
#3 Aug 06 2008 at 6:00 AM Rating: Decent
Not able to get on your armory but switching to 41/20 will possibly put you over 1000dps.
#4 Aug 06 2008 at 6:00 AM Rating: Good
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Im certainly no expert but i would say yes to going BM and try and get your hit rating up to the cap.
#5 Aug 06 2008 at 6:08 AM Rating: Decent
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I agree with the 41/20 BM recommendation.

Your Hit rating needs some help. Try the +30 Hit rating scope. It is from old content, you will need an old school engineer and some Lava Cores, but it will be well worth the effort.

Your shot rotation macro is exactly what a BM needs. Using it as a MM is probably hurting your DPS some. I haven't been MM seriously in over a year, so I will leave it to the MM experts to advise you on shot rotation.

There is nothing wrong with remaining MM, Silencing Shot and Scatter Shot both are wonderful tools when it comes to trapping. You will be better CC with them than without them. If all that is being asked of you is DPS, then I would convert to BM.

Shelor007
#6 Aug 06 2008 at 6:49 AM Rating: Decent
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The cookie cutter 41/20 will give you more dps. You are using a BM rotation, and as MM, that is hurting your dps. As MM you rely on all your cooldown shots to dps (arcane shot, multi-shot, and steady shot). Silencing shot is all but worthless in raiding, even if you are raiding as MM.

Skip getting the shoulders of lightning reflexes. They are not that good. The bracers are actually worth getting, though.

You are terribly under the hit cap. That should be priority #1. You will see a significant increase in your dps from that alone. Plenty of badge loot that would be big upgrades for you. You have the chest, go for the cross-bow next. It has awesome stats and good dps on it. You wouldn't replace it until well into T6 content.

You apparently don't pvp, but I would suggest doing the standard 10 games a week until you could get the S3 helm, which is better than the T6 helm.
#7 Aug 06 2008 at 7:55 AM Rating: Good
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Don't gem for AP or Crit. You should only be gemming for hit and agility, unless you get a socket bonus to compensate, which is rare. Never gem straight AP. You need less AP and more crit atm. I would suggest trying to get the badge axe, which is really nice. As everyone has said, if you're raiding you should be 41/20 or SV
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#8 Aug 06 2008 at 8:01 AM Rating: Good
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The shoulders aren't that good?

I ask as I have the pattern and mats in the bank and I am on the fence about them. Assuming you can maintain the hit cap and have the badge bow, the haste on the shoulders seem to make them nearly the best in game (not counting T5/T6 set bonuses).

Advice would be welcome.
#9 Aug 06 2008 at 8:02 AM Rating: Decent
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I think not using Aimed Shot except for misdirected threat would help you..
#10 Aug 06 2008 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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the lightning shoulders are amazing. However you can have too much haste and if that's the case they all of a sudden aren't very good at all. For this kind of stuff just use cheeky's spreadsheet.
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#11 Aug 06 2008 at 8:17 AM Rating: Good
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After Hater-X taught me how to use the spreadsheet in an earlier post, I have been using it. I am not at content where I will be getting a ton of haste gear soon, and the sheet is starting to teach me that having something like the shoulders might be great, then not so good, and then suddenly great again.

I just wanted some affirmation before I crafted those things, the mats where ungodly expensive.

Thank you Sir X(again) your going to lose your reputation with posts like this though...

Edited, Aug 6th 2008 12:15pm by Sweathog
#12 Aug 06 2008 at 8:36 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm also going to add in that Aimed shot is a complete waste of mana , it's not really needed unless you are starting a boss fight with a MD to the tank. For more info on shot rotations see this post at elitist jerks Illustared Shot Rotation Guide. Also make a macro for your trinkets to so if you have an on use blah blah blah it will add it in and just spam both macro buttons. BM spec is good for raids I saw that someone said to go to the cookie cutter build if your going BM which is the way to go IMO.

If you do go BM for your trinket macro use:

/cast Beastial Wrath
/use 13
/use 14 (only if you have another trinket that says on use: lets just say gives you 200 AP for 10 sec)


EDIT: Sorry this is Amayu, posted w/o checking to see if I was logged in and posted as my BF O.o

Edited, Aug 6th 2008 4:05pm by Lathais
#13 Aug 06 2008 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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You can also just type in the name of the trinket. /use Bloodlust brooch works.
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#14 Aug 06 2008 at 8:40 AM Rating: Default
Go 41/20 that will with no doubt in my mind let you climb to over 1000 DPS. Silencing Shot is useless in PvE.

Your shot rotation looks great.

I would recommend not using Aimed Shot. In the time it takes to fire on off you could do more damage than that Aimed Shot in auto and Steady Shots.

Gem and enchant for all Agility. You can put AP on your bracers though. I did that.

Get up to the hit cap. You can't do damage to what you can't hit.

Have fun.
#15 Aug 06 2008 at 8:46 AM Rating: Good
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And in fact, due to the fact that we now know hunters use a two roll system, having low hit actually decreases your crit chance.
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#16 Aug 06 2008 at 9:12 AM Rating: Default
Xsarus wrote:
And in fact, due to the fact that we now know hunters use a two roll system, having low hit actually decreases your crit chance.


Two roll system?
#17 Aug 06 2008 at 9:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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You roll for hit, and then roll for crit. Rather then it being one complete table, with hit, crit, miss, dodge, etc.

EJ has information about it if you feel like digging through their threads.
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#18 Aug 06 2008 at 12:39 PM Rating: Default
Oh, I got it. Thanks.
#19 Aug 06 2008 at 4:57 PM Rating: Decent
ok awesome- thanks for the replies...

just respecced back to 41/20... have the +hit scope on the way this weekend....

lets see what that does :)


thanks again

-paul

*goes back to lurking*
#20 Aug 07 2008 at 4:04 PM Rating: Good
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'Xsarus' wrote:
And in fact, due to the fact that we now know hunters use a two roll system, having low hit actually decreases your crit chance.


Not that I doubt you, but source?
#21 Aug 07 2008 at 4:53 PM Rating: Default
Ieatrocks wrote:
'Xsarus' wrote:
And in fact, due to the fact that we now know hunters use a two roll system, having low hit actually decreases your crit chance.


Not that I doubt you, but source?


He said he found it on EJ. You can dig through the forums and see if you can find it.
#22 Aug 07 2008 at 5:01 PM Rating: Good
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I should read whole thread before posting...
#23 Aug 07 2008 at 5:24 PM Rating: Default
I would tend to agree on that.
#24 Aug 08 2008 at 2:06 AM Rating: Default
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Real men raid as SV/MM.

Forget your personal dps, raiding isn't about you. It's a team effort, and EW is one of the best buffs you can have up in a raid.

Top out your unbuffed AGI at 700+ and help your raids more than 1k+ dps, which by the way, isn't that impressive.

#25 Aug 08 2008 at 4:28 AM Rating: Good
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Sweathog wrote:
The shoulders aren't that good?

I ask as I have the pattern and mats in the bank and I am on the fence about them. Assuming you can maintain the hit cap and have the badge bow, the haste on the shoulders seem to make them nearly the best in game (not counting T5/T6 set bonuses).

Advice would be welcome.


What is the haste going to do for you, is what you need to ask yourself. Then, what other possible upgrades are you looking at that slot.

For haste to be any good, it needs to change your shot rotation, either directly, or with other regular procs (like quick shots). If you are shooting a 3:2 without any haste, and you would be shooting a 3:2 even with the haste, then the haste has done nothing for you. If, however, it puts you into a 2:1 or 1:1 with quick shots, or a "cleaner" 3:2 without any procs, then it would help a great deal.

With the badge crossbow (which you dont have yet), that already puts you into a nice 3:2 rotation without passive haste, and adding a little (like with your chest), puts you in a good spot.

With the gear you are wearing right now, I would say it would be beneficial. But, when ever you get the badge crossbow (which I must stress should be your next immediate upgrade, despite its looks is a really great weapon) the shoulders are not gonna be that great until, as you have found in your research, you can get some more haste za cloak or badge weapon perhaps would be enough again).
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