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#1 Aug 04 2008 at 5:13 PM Rating: Default
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Just hit 53 today. Yay. 31 levels of Vanish failing for no reason. 43 levels of pick pocket being resisted by sapped targets. 53 levels of sometimes being in stealth but having some guy running at me from out of nowhere and attacking me anyway.

WHO WROTE THIS STUFF?!


Standing in the middle of a field. Still in combat because someone stole my mob. No dots on me, so I choose to vanish just to mount up and go somewhere else. *POOF* Wait, why am I not stealthed? Nothing touched me? I'm not in combat... *mounts*

Fighting way too many mobs. *POOF* Mob's melee swing hits me for 156. WHAT?! *dead*



And seriously. Why can a sapped target resist pick pocket? Especially when it's alone. Suddenly, you're just standing there, unstealthed, behind some mob that can't do anything for at least 30 more seconds.. but you're in combat anyway. You could waste a vanish to try again, you could kill the guy and miss a pick pocket, or you could run away and waste near a minute of time before you can try again.

Then there's PvP. I'm stealthed standing way off to the side of a fight, waiting to see if I could help without getting slaughtered.. and some guy starts running my way. I'm at least 30 yards away to avoid any chance of AOE, but I target him, and he's already targetting me. I hope that the target-of-target is messed up, and run to the side. He follows and hits me.


And finally, there's the mobs that cast spells at random party members other than their target. I'm not even close to the fight yet, and out of nowhere some stupid dragonkin casts sleep on me. Or SW:P, or lightning bolt, or any other number of THEY DIDN'T SEE ME!
#2 Aug 04 2008 at 7:03 PM Rating: Decent
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And finally, there's the mobs that cast spells at random party members other than their target. I'm not even close to the fight yet, and out of nowhere some stupid dragonkin casts sleep on me. Or SW:P, or lightning bolt, or any other number of THEY DIDN'T SEE ME!


this annoy the crap out of me. seems to happen allot in ZA. beast-tamers always seem to target me while I'm stealthed, I'm just about to garrote then *poof* mind controlled.

what also annoys me is when your've just Hit a CD and the you get stunned, MC'd or any other kind of CC. thanks allot now i have to wait another 5 minutes to AR again :/

Edited, Aug 4th 2008 11:01pm by pythonesc
#3 Aug 04 2008 at 8:09 PM Rating: Good
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tl;dr

Go roll a warrior or something, I guess?
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#4 Aug 04 2008 at 8:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I have a warrior. Only 11, but he's died more times in the past 11 levels than any of my other guys do in a day.. I even bought him stuff off the AH. Still dies to two green mobs.
#5 Aug 04 2008 at 8:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Okay, read the post.

Welcome to World of Warcraft. Every single class has things that **** off the player base. Case in point, go talk to a shaman (or a druid, really) about melee specs. Unfortunately for you, having crappy melee builds can be fixed with enough work on Blizzard's part. Stealth, on the other hand, is controlled client-side, while mob damage and other malarkey is controlled server-side (or in the case of PvP, client-side as well). The lag between the two is what causes these fun little anomalies, and there's almost no way to fix them without making rogues ludicrously OP.

Yes, it sucks. Deal with it.
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#6 Aug 04 2008 at 8:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Make rogues immune to auto-attack and auto-shot for 1 second after casting vanish.

But I should have just deleted him 50 levels ago. He's on a PvE server while all 5 others are on the same PvP server. That's great..
#7 Aug 04 2008 at 10:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Just wait till another rogue's vanish breaks your stealth and huntard/lock pets still come at you when you restealth.
#8 Aug 05 2008 at 3:41 AM Rating: Good
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The pet bug is being fixed in the expansion though. And as for the vanish bug, how exploitable would a second of immunity be after casting vanish?

ninja-edit: Anyone ever had sucess with a /stopattack macro?

Edited, Aug 5th 2008 10:07am by ArtemisEnteri
#9 Aug 05 2008 at 4:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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Vanish earlier.
#10 Aug 05 2008 at 11:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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The pet bug is being fixed in the expansion though. And as for the vanish bug, how exploitable would a second of immunity be after casting vanish?

ninja-edit: Anyone ever had sucess with a /stopattack macro?

Edited, Aug 5th 2008 10:07am by ArtemisEnteri



Which is funny because the pet bug was *supposed* to be fixed like eleventy-billion patches ago.
#11 Aug 05 2008 at 12:10 PM Rating: Default
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eleventy billion? Is that close to threeve thousand?
#12 Aug 05 2008 at 2:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Out of interest, what's your latency? I find most of this rant odd, because I never really encountered those PvE problems, whether soloing or doing instances. Sure, I get stuck "in combat" occasionally, but Vanish always fixes it. At the risk of being patronising, you do know that DoTs will knock you out of stealth after you Vanish?

If your latency's really high, that could account for some of the problems, but others just sound really wierd :/

Edited, Aug 5th 2008 6:36pm by zhaharik
#13 Aug 05 2008 at 3:15 PM Rating: Good
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Vanish works better if you have /stopattack in a macro before it. You also need to consider your surroundings, and try to put a few feet between you and your attackers before you vanish. If it's a Hunter, run around a corner. If it's a caster, CloS-> Vanish is pretty reliable.

One thing I can tell you for sure is that whining, rather than trying to be constructive, won't help you at all.
#14 Aug 06 2008 at 4:15 AM Rating: Good
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31 levels of Vanish failing for no reason.


There's always a reason, you've just not managed to discover it.

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43 levels of pick pocket being resisted by sapped targets.


Yeah! Srsly - I got the same with opening a bra. No matter how hard you hit 'em on the head, the girl still jumps up to slap me when I try to get it off. Bugs me as hell!

Nah, just kidding :) it can be resisted at times. Which sucks, but pickpocket is not really a skill that defines the class. If it happens too often, remember no to get too close to the mob. You can pickpocket it from a rather safe distance.

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WHO WROTE THIS STUFF?!


I think you just did :)

And lastly:

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One thing I can tell you for sure is that whining, rather than trying to be constructive, won't help you at all.


This.

#15 Aug 06 2008 at 5:11 AM Rating: Good
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One thing I can tell you for sure is that whining, rather than trying to be constructive, won't help you at all.


True, but that doesn't make it less annoying. I've had vanish fail on me in the arenas for no reason once or twice, nothing more irritating than that.

Edited, Aug 6th 2008 3:09pm by Mozared
#16 Aug 06 2008 at 7:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Out of interest, what's your latency?


Usually around 85ms. But my server seems to get bad lag sometimes.

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Vanish works better if you have /stopattack in a macro before it. You also need to consider your surroundings, and try to put a few feet between you and your attackers before you vanish.


I have yet to attack instantly after vanishing. Isn't your attack canceled automatically? And it's pretty hard to put distance on PvE mobs that are all attacking you already.

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One thing I can tell you for sure is that whining, rather than trying to be constructive, won't help you at all.


Other than reporting bugs, or things you think are bugs, what can you do that's constructive to change them?


Blah, 54 now, and BRD. Complaints about my rogue are being switched with complaints about bad groups. Had a 70 hunter try to run a group.. the guy used almost nothing but auto-shot and melee, for 85% of his damage. Never trapped, never feigned, never misdirected his pet. My main is a hunter, so I was very close to exploding on him.
#17 Aug 06 2008 at 7:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Didn't the 70 gimp your XP?
#18 Aug 06 2008 at 7:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Didn't the 70 gimp your XP?


Well, yeah.. but I still have 6 or 7 quests in there to do. That's what I'm trying to get done, more than anything else..

11-12k per quest, and they chain.. *drools*
#19 Aug 06 2008 at 10:43 AM Rating: Good
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Ehcks wrote:


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Vanish works better if you have /stopattack in a macro before it. You also need to consider your surroundings, and try to put a few feet
between you and your attackers before you vanish.


I have yet to attack instantly after vanishing. Isn't your attack canceled automatically? And it's pretty hard to put distance on PvE mobs that are all attacking you already.



Shows quite clearly how little you understand the way the game works underneath. Just because you don't think that you attacked after you vanished doesn't mean the server doesn't think so.

Use this macro in place of Vanish:

/stopattack
/cast Vanish

It will improve the likelihood of vanish being successful by a bit. It's better than nothing.

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One thing I can tell you for sure is that whining, rather than trying to be constructive, won't help you at all.


Other than reporting bugs, or things you think are bugs, what can you do that's constructive to change them?


Your post was NOT constructive. It was a whiny rant without so much as wit to make it more enjoyable.
#20 Aug 06 2008 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Your post was NOT constructive.


I do believe I see hypocrisy.
#21 Aug 06 2008 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
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Ehcks wrote:
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Your post was NOT constructive.


I do believe I see hypocrisy.

I'd check out a vision test at your local optometrist. It's quite obvious you're having vision problems.

Smiley: schooled
#22 Aug 06 2008 at 2:36 PM Rating: Decent
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You're ******** about this? QQ MOAR!

Every 70 Rogue has had to live with these issues...do you see us whining? Get over it and acept the fact that we are the best single target DPS in the game.
#23 Aug 06 2008 at 10:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Standing in the middle of a field. Still in combat because someone stole my mob. No dots on me, so I choose to vanish just to mount up and go somewhere else. *POOF* Wait, why am I not stealthed? Nothing touched me? I'm not in combat... *mounts*

Fighting way too many mobs. *POOF* Mob's melee swing hits me for 156. WHAT?! *dead*


I really love my puff of smoke attack... 90% of the time when I have used vanish, in 2.4.3, when I use vanish without anyone on me, or an DoTs/bleeds on me I perform the animation and just run around out of stealth with vanish and stealth on CD >.<
#24 Aug 07 2008 at 6:58 AM Rating: Decent
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imanohealu wrote:
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Standing in the middle of a field. Still in combat because someone stole my mob. No dots on me, so I choose to vanish just to mount up and go somewhere else. *POOF* Wait, why am I not stealthed? Nothing touched me? I'm not in combat... *mounts*

Fighting way too many mobs. *POOF* Mob's melee swing hits me for 156. WHAT?! *dead*


I really love my puff of smoke attack... 90% of the time when I have used vanish, in 2.4.3, when I use vanish without anyone on me, or an DoTs/bleeds on me I perform the animation and just run around out of stealth with vanish and stealth on CD >.<


This happens to me all the time...but usually only in EOTS (or a vanish there more than other BG's)
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