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I've been researching whether this is actually worth getting or not. I'm exalted with scryers but have heard that the scryer proc for this is pretty crap, especially in comparison to the aldor proc. At the moment I have Amulet of Bitter Hatred (http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=35507;source=live) and am wondering what is better.
EDIT: MM specced if that makes a difference.
Edited, Aug 3rd 2008 3:08pm by Deathkopta
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I'm exalted Aldor/SSO and this thing procs literally 3 times per fight on standard mobs and at least 5 or 6 on the bigger boss fights. While I can't attest to the usefulness of the Scryer version, I will say that the Aldor proc rate is absolutely insane.
Deathkopta wrote:
the scryer proc for this is pretty crap, especially in comparison to the aldor proc.
And it cant proc 3 times per fight unless you suck Word, because it has an internal cooldown of 45 seconds.
Well, I certainly hope I don't suck but I have seen it go off an excessive number of times.
Before people start talking about how the Scryers suck so much (wait... too late), if you crunch the numbers, BOTH procs average out to about 9 DPS.
There are just a few things you have to consider with the Scryers proc. It is considered a melee attack, so it can be dodged and parried, and missed. Parrying can be avoided by standing behind the mob, and miss can be taken care of by having 142 hit. Not much we can do about Dodge, since 1 attack isn't worth stacking up on expertise. Arcane Strike can also Crit, which is based on your melee crit chance.
As a scryer, I'll say that it's worth it- but only if you are hitcapped without the Badge/Summer event necklace. That 18 hit rating will do you MUCH better against a level 73 raid boss.
Edited, Aug 3rd 2008 7:58pm by ProjectMidnight
There are just a few things you have to consider with the Scryers proc. It is considered a melee attack, so it can be dodged and parried, and missed. Parrying can be avoided by standing behind the mob, and miss can be taken care of by having 142 hit. Not much we can do about Dodge, since 1 attack isn't worth stacking up on expertise. Arcane Strike can also Crit, which is based on your melee crit chance.
As a scryer, I'll say that it's worth it- but only if you are hitcapped without the Badge/Summer event necklace. That 18 hit rating will do you MUCH better against a level 73 raid boss.
Edited, Aug 3rd 2008 7:58pm by ProjectMidnight
This neck is a perfectly good piece for Hunters, Scryer or Aldor. Anything better is pretty hard to get, and several classes will be contesting the loot roll.
One warning for Scryer Hunters. The proc for this neck can and and will use an MD charge. I learned this the hard way:
First shot: Below Average
Second shot: Not much better
Neck Proc: MD used up
Third Shot: MASSIVE CRIT!
Dead Hunter, pulled aggro.
I now MD pull with a two shot, check my buff bar, shoot again technique - at least until I upgrade my neck.
EDIT: Midnight has the right idea about Hit Rating. I would only upgrade your neck if you can take care of your Hit Cap elsewhere.
Shelor007
Edited, Aug 4th 2008 11:28am by shelordoubleoseven
Edited, Aug 4th 2008 11:37am by shelordoubleoseven
One warning for Scryer Hunters. The proc for this neck can and and will use an MD charge. I learned this the hard way:
First shot: Below Average
Second shot: Not much better
Neck Proc: MD used up
Third Shot: MASSIVE CRIT!
Dead Hunter, pulled aggro.
I now MD pull with a two shot, check my buff bar, shoot again technique - at least until I upgrade my neck.
EDIT: Midnight has the right idea about Hit Rating. I would only upgrade your neck if you can take care of your Hit Cap elsewhere.
Shelor007
Edited, Aug 4th 2008 11:28am by shelordoubleoseven
Edited, Aug 4th 2008 11:37am by shelordoubleoseven
Any attack uses MD charges silly. You can literally use up all your MD charges wingclipping, if you choose.
Any Hunter knows that, Dilbrt.
There is no way to predict when the neck will proc. It is those surprise procs that eat an MD charge that can cause the problem.
Shelor007
Edited, Aug 4th 2008 11:31am by shelordoubleoseven
There is no way to predict when the neck will proc. It is those surprise procs that eat an MD charge that can cause the problem.
Shelor007
Edited, Aug 4th 2008 11:31am by shelordoubleoseven
Yeah... That kinda does suck when it does manage to proc right in the middle of an MD pull. At least if it manages to crit, it does about the same amount of damage as a non-crit autoshot.
Plug it in spreadsheet. Both necks are around t6 quality necks as far as dps goes. So unless you have access to t6 content. Wear SSO neck. Even if this puts you under cap, they are still better than anything available pre t6.
This is even true for my combat specced rogue, and we all know how rogues love hit. So for hunters, even more so.
Edited, Aug 5th 2008 11:01am by Elustriel
This is even true for my combat specced rogue, and we all know how rogues love hit. So for hunters, even more so.
Edited, Aug 5th 2008 11:01am by Elustriel
If my memory serves me correctly the aldor proc can be averaged out to a static 40AP boost.
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'Dilbert' wrote:
Any attack uses MD charges silly. You can literally use up all your MD charges wingclipping, if you choose.
Not volley. :D
Note: at least not last time I tried it.
I MD volley all the time on AOE pulls (worms in magisters terrace come to mind) especially with a warrior tank. I assure you MD does work with volley and it is the only thing that makes volley useful IMO.
Edited, Aug 6th 2008 10:31am by Sweathog
Edited, Aug 6th 2008 10:31am by Sweathog
It doesn't use up MD charges though.
are you sure because I do the same thing and they never chase me down. we might need some confirmation from someone on this.
What Ieatrocks is saying is you still have 3 shots on your MD after using volley. I have never noticed this, he is usually right though. Doesn't really change anything though, MD - volley - multishot - arcane - mash macro.
This is correct. Using Volley will redirect all threat to your MD target without using up any charges.
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ummmm this is a freaking fantastic thing. Essentially it gives your MD 4 charges then? Since your threat on a volley goes to the tank but doesn't use a charge? This would make warriors like a pally as long as you have a hunter along.
But a multi will still use up all 3 MD charges at once? Sounds like an oversight on Blizz (sshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
Edited, Aug 7th 2008 3:12pm by zebug
But a multi will still use up all 3 MD charges at once? Sounds like an oversight on Blizz (sshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
Edited, Aug 7th 2008 3:12pm by zebug
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I have never noticed this, he is usually right though.
It's because I'm awesome.
Also, it's been like this since forever as far as I know. Worked ever since the first time I tried it probably around early 2.2.
Edited, Aug 7th 2008 8:07pm by Ieatrocks
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