The Rogue Compendium [updated 10/26/08]Follow

Anyway, going back to constructive things ... I did a small write-up on what racial abilities changed.

Alliance

Night Elf
- Racial Ability: Shadowmeld. Now works sort of like Feint, Could probably help with restealthing in PvP. Works a bit like a second vanish in PvE, although it doesn't wipe threat, it just 'pauses' it for the duration.
- Racial Passive: Elusiveness Increases your stealth by five points (e.g. one character level). The split-off stealth increase off of the old Shadowmeld.
- Racial Passive: Nature Resistance: Decreases the chance you will be hit by Nature spells by 2%. All of these resistances got reworked, so they're slightly more useful in PvP now, IMO.
- Racial Passive: Quickness. Reduces the chance you will be hit by melee and ranged attacks by 2%. The non-magic version of the nature resist one. (Works as chance to miss instead of dodge now, so will not proc overpower on enemy warriors for example.) Double as effective as it used to be.

Human
- Racial Ability: Every Man for Himself. Works like and shares a cooldown with the PvP trinkets. Saves you a trinket slot for something more offensive or defense oriented.
- Racial Passive: Mace&Sword spec. +3 expertise when you are wielding a mace or a sword.
- Racial Passive: Perception. Gives you 5 points of passive stealth detection (e.g. one character level).
- Racial Passive: The Human Spirit. 3% increased spirit.(though fairly useless to rogues anyway)

Gnome
- Racial Ability: Escape Artist. 1.75 min CD
- Racial Passivel: Arcane Resistance: Decreases the chance you will be hit by Arcane spells by 2%.

Dwarf
- Racial Passive: Frost Resistance: Decreases the chance you will be hit by Frost spells by 2%.

Horde

Orc
- Racial Ability: Blood Fury. Now no longer reduces healing effects.
- Racial Passive: Hardiness. Now reduces duration of stun effects by 15%.

Undead
- Racial Ability: Will of the Forsaken. No longer gives the 5s immunity.
- Racial Passive: Shadow Resistance: Decreases the chance you will be hit by Shadow spells by 2%.
- Racial Passive: Underwater Breathing. Nerfed to 233% longer than normal, but every race can hold their breath for three minutes now, so undead can do so for seven minutes.

Troll
- Racial Passive: Da Voodoo Shuffle. Reduces the duration of all movement impairing effects by 15%.

Blood Elf
- Racial Ability: Mana Tap. Removed.
- Racial Ability: Arcane Torrent. Silences all enemies within 8 yards for 2 seconds and restores 15 energy.
- Racial Passive: Magic Resistance: Decreases the chance you will be hit by spells by 2%. This one is like all the other racial resist abilities combined.

Like I said, I typed out what changed. e.g. durations, cooldowns, the resists changing to being percentage-based. I know they're not big changes, but I can't help that. Things like WotF no longer providing immunity or Blood Fury no longer reducing healing taken are pretty important nonetheless.

I don't know exactly how shadowmeld works for a rogue because I don't have a Night Elf rogue.
What is incorrect about it ?

You should probably read the thread before posting.

I did a respec 2 days ago when I was lvl 17 to make my Rogue the "Off Hand Sword, Main Hand Dagger" build that was posted with this talent sheet. I'm level 20 now, and I decided to checked this thread again today. Now that build isn't even listed anymore. Would I be ahead to respec AGAIN, or is the difference between the fist/dagger and sword/dagger builds really all that substantial?

A long time ago a mentor of mine by the name of Nooblestick was kind enough to straighten me out on dagger/fists/swords, as I was confused if fist weapons were treated like daggers or swords. I now find myself again with the same question. Under 3.0 are fist weapons considered swords or daggers?. Thank you for your answers and time.

Maybe you should try reading the thread?

I linked directly to the post your retarded *** should be reading.

and thank you Zhaharik for having the class to answer my question with an intelligent answer :)

Theo, you need to chill just a tad on the treatment of folks dude. I understand wanting ppl to read but ya gotta play nice sometimes :)

Hey there Theo, just wanted to throw another "Thank you" out there for making all this available to the rogue community, keep up the good work!

Another thing I'd like to point out is, after playing with specs on the most recent spreadsheet (which isn't exactly too recent) and hearing some stuff from other rogues, It seems that a 7/51/13 raid build comes out just slightly ahead of the 15/51/5 spec you have posted here.

Maybe you could look into it and, if necessary, update the spec guide for everyone?

EDIT: Forgot links, hehe



Edited, Nov 17th 2008 3:40am by Jonofthedead

By how much exactly?

I don't have the spreadsheet here at work, but seems odd that Serrated would beat out Ruthlessness (and I'd really, really miss the CB proc for easier rotations). But, hell, I'd dual-wield Wirt's leg if it meant >1 dps ;)

edit: And is your finding including glyphs? And in what gearing range? t4 or t6? Thanks.

Edited, Nov 17th 2008 3:37pm by TherionSaysWhat

You absolutely should do this. The spreadsheet is meant to help players optimize with what they have so that we can find upgrade paths to take along the way. Your itemization needs will change with gear, as will the projected optimal DPS output of the spreadsheet model (obvious, but needed to be noted).

With that said, I'm not seeing a noticeable difference between the two builds you posted myself, but I could be missing something. Personally, I'd rather have the combo points to help keep the combat rotation solid.

The two swords you linked are probably going to be the standard pre-raid swords for combat (did some searching today, those two are on my short-list for sure). But don't discount fists which are much better itemized in WotLK than they were previously.

Cheers!

Useful macro, sap & melee attack:

#showtooltip Sap
/console targetNearestDistance 10,000000
/targetenemy [noharm][dead]
/console targetNearestDistance 41.000000
/cast [harm,nodead] Sap
/startattack
/stopattack

Doesn't break the asap, but does destealth you and 0ut you in combat. As the attack has 5 yard range, you need to be close. Generally I only use this when sapping off blind to bandage up - handy nonetheless.