I need to settle a dispute in my guild, one of our resto Druids is complaining about being put on the tank as a healer and so our officers told him that this was because he made a better tank healer than raid healer.
Is this correct?
Also he claims he is a better raid healer than CoH Priests, whats the deal here?
Basically I think he just likes to see himself on the top of the meters but if he actually has a point I'd like to know about it.
Thanks in advance.
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Druids make crap raid healers. We can cast one HoT every 1.5 sec on 1 raid member. Compared with Shamans Chain Heal & Priests Circle of Healing which in the same amount of time (a bit more for ChainHeal) can heal 3-5 people. In the time it takes us to cast a rejuv on 5 people, a priest can heal 5 GROUPS and the Shaman can heal 9-12 people. Also, if you have other raid healers, the druid HOTs will often be wasted by getting another heal over the top of them.
On the other hand, the tank having 3 HOT's running on him/her continually is a massive amount of base healing which makes life much easier for the other tank healers.
We always use Druids & Pallys on tank heals and Shaman & Priests on raid heals and it works really well for us.
On the other hand, the tank having 3 HOT's running on him/her continually is a massive amount of base healing which makes life much easier for the other tank healers.
We always use Druids & Pallys on tank heals and Shaman & Priests on raid heals and it works really well for us.
In my experience of being a healing Druid (only did 10 mans, and having left the game for my studies for a little while) I can say that Druids do not excel at the jobs you stated, neither raid healing nor single target healing.
The way Lifebloom works, allows a Druid with good connection to stack it on 4 tanks without breaking it, 3 is easily possible without HEAVY lag, that means, 3-4 targets that takes damage the entire fight (not 3 tanks tanking 1 target but rotating the aggro). This is the best a Druid can put out because of the amazing efficiency of Lifebloom.
2 tanks are quite good as well for Druids, because you can put Rejuvenation into your rotation, though not as effective.
Many situations though, requires only 1 tank and raid healing, and these are the 2 jobs that people think of when you say a healer, Druids don't fit any of these perfectly though. On 1 tank you just can't put more HoTs for more HPS, you are stuck with alot of free time in your rotation (with the exception of Swiftmend, you are casting 4 Lifeblooms, 2 Rejuvenations and 1 Regrowth every ~24 seconds, meaning you only spend 11 seconds of the time for casting, up to 14 if you lag abit, that's about half of the time only), this is frustrating, knowing you have more time and more mana to put out, but you are not needed, even moreso when others have to work higher. Be sure that healing meters won't help here, no one wants to be left behind on the meters.
On the other hand, HoTs are very MEHish to raid healing, as no other healer will wait for the HoT to tick. It was hard for 1-2 healers to wait for my HoTs in 10 mans, I can only assume how hard it will be on 25. Be sure, though, that he is NOT a better raid healer than Shamans and Cricle of Healing Priests.
It's hard for me to judge which is better in that case. I assume it's best to assign him on what's lacking, but combining the two is also good, keeping Lifebloom stacked on the tank and tossing a raid heal here and there.
I'm sure others will share their experience of 25 mans and be of more help, take from my experience what you will, while remembering I never healed a 25 man raid.
Hope I helped somehow, and good luck,
Yuval.
The way Lifebloom works, allows a Druid with good connection to stack it on 4 tanks without breaking it, 3 is easily possible without HEAVY lag, that means, 3-4 targets that takes damage the entire fight (not 3 tanks tanking 1 target but rotating the aggro). This is the best a Druid can put out because of the amazing efficiency of Lifebloom.
2 tanks are quite good as well for Druids, because you can put Rejuvenation into your rotation, though not as effective.
Many situations though, requires only 1 tank and raid healing, and these are the 2 jobs that people think of when you say a healer, Druids don't fit any of these perfectly though. On 1 tank you just can't put more HoTs for more HPS, you are stuck with alot of free time in your rotation (with the exception of Swiftmend, you are casting 4 Lifeblooms, 2 Rejuvenations and 1 Regrowth every ~24 seconds, meaning you only spend 11 seconds of the time for casting, up to 14 if you lag abit, that's about half of the time only), this is frustrating, knowing you have more time and more mana to put out, but you are not needed, even moreso when others have to work higher. Be sure that healing meters won't help here, no one wants to be left behind on the meters.
On the other hand, HoTs are very MEHish to raid healing, as no other healer will wait for the HoT to tick. It was hard for 1-2 healers to wait for my HoTs in 10 mans, I can only assume how hard it will be on 25. Be sure, though, that he is NOT a better raid healer than Shamans and Cricle of Healing Priests.
It's hard for me to judge which is better in that case. I assume it's best to assign him on what's lacking, but combining the two is also good, keeping Lifebloom stacked on the tank and tossing a raid heal here and there.
I'm sure others will share their experience of 25 mans and be of more help, take from my experience what you will, while remembering I never healed a 25 man raid.
Hope I helped somehow, and good luck,
Yuval.
HoT's are vital in smoothing out damage spikes, quite possibly the leading cause of tank death (aside from plain stupidity). If you have mostly paladins on the tank--they have no HoTs--resto druids become great candidates to help the tank. Druids also have much better instant heal capabilities.
As for raid healing, CoH priests and resto shamans simply do it better when it comes to raid-wide damage, though druids are excellent spot healers. If a few people/offtanks who are fairly spread out need healing, this is where a druid shines IMO. Many many times they're needed on the MT though.
As for raid healing, CoH priests and resto shamans simply do it better when it comes to raid-wide damage, though druids are excellent spot healers. If a few people/offtanks who are fairly spread out need healing, this is where a druid shines IMO. Many many times they're needed on the MT though.
From my experience there are 3 kinds of raid healers: MT only, Raid only, and a mix of the two.
Pally excel at being a MT healer, no getting around that. Shamans and Priests are OUTSTANDING raid healers. As a druid with experience I CAN raid heal, but not as good as a skilled Shaman or Priest. The thing that makes resto druids great is that they can heal the MT, while doing all kinds of other things.
Keeping up a regrowth/rejuv/lifebloom on one person is stupidly easy, and that affords you the option to put full heals on 2 tanks, or be an excellent supplemental healer (i.e. half a raid healer, or at least the way I play). The amazing part about a resto druid is that they are capable to switch in and out of certain needs, depending on the situayion. And when you get better, you can perform all three functions at once.
Pally excel at being a MT healer, no getting around that. Shamans and Priests are OUTSTANDING raid healers. As a druid with experience I CAN raid heal, but not as good as a skilled Shaman or Priest. The thing that makes resto druids great is that they can heal the MT, while doing all kinds of other things.
Keeping up a regrowth/rejuv/lifebloom on one person is stupidly easy, and that affords you the option to put full heals on 2 tanks, or be an excellent supplemental healer (i.e. half a raid healer, or at least the way I play). The amazing part about a resto druid is that they are capable to switch in and out of certain needs, depending on the situayion. And when you get better, you can perform all three functions at once.
Druids are excellent tank healers because shamans + priests simply out-class us when it comes to raid healing (as the other posts show). We are easily capable of keeping lifebloomx3 up on 3 tanks for an infinite amount of time.
It provides a bit of a safety net since they will constantly be getting heals, where as another class they might dip a little low (and with a bad string of crits/crushes/missed blocks/low heals etc could wind up with a dead tank).
You have a constant stream of heals coming in, you add in rejuvenation on the mt for when he takes a hard hit, and you can swiftmend it and be perfectly fine. We can also factor in NS + HT/Regrowth for when they take a huge hit or an unlucky string of hits. ALL while maintaining lifebloomx3 on 3 tanks (if you do more than 3, due to gcd you will not be able to keep them up 100% of the time).
As for his claim of being a better raid healer than a CoH priest, assuming equal gear + skill, he's simply wrong. CoH heals more people a lot faster than a lifebloom or rejuvenation can do.
It provides a bit of a safety net since they will constantly be getting heals, where as another class they might dip a little low (and with a bad string of crits/crushes/missed blocks/low heals etc could wind up with a dead tank).
You have a constant stream of heals coming in, you add in rejuvenation on the mt for when he takes a hard hit, and you can swiftmend it and be perfectly fine. We can also factor in NS + HT/Regrowth for when they take a huge hit or an unlucky string of hits. ALL while maintaining lifebloomx3 on 3 tanks (if you do more than 3, due to gcd you will not be able to keep them up 100% of the time).
As for his claim of being a better raid healer than a CoH priest, assuming equal gear + skill, he's simply wrong. CoH heals more people a lot faster than a lifebloom or rejuvenation can do.
Thanks for the replies
I've healed pretty much all forms of healing you could imagine. Main Heals, raid heals, and a mix of both. I can tell you that if you have the skill and you know how the other healers with you heal you can raid heal. But it's a lot easier for you to main heal.
I can run full HoT's with a priest or pally acting as another main healer and very very rarely does a tank drop below 50%.
Though I will say in my guild we have a few other resto druids who are quite good at raid healing and mainly only want to raid heal. But as said before, priests and shammy's are your raid healers without a doubt.
I can run full HoT's with a priest or pally acting as another main healer and very very rarely does a tank drop below 50%.
Though I will say in my guild we have a few other resto druids who are quite good at raid healing and mainly only want to raid heal. But as said before, priests and shammy's are your raid healers without a doubt.
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