There is a warrior in my guild who replaced me when I couldn't raid for 4 months due to military operations and now that I'm back (still not raiding) I'm looking at some of the older WWS's and I'm finding that he's using HS a heckuva lot more than BT during all encounters.
During the Brut fight it's taking around 6m to down the boss and during that time he does 66 HS and 20 BT's. (based on most recent WWS)
Considering he hits BT's a lot harder than HS's shouldn't he be utilizing BT alot more? I just feel that he is losing DPS due to HS spam so to speak.
What do you think he should be doing? BT's a 6s cd right? If that is the case he should be keeping it on CD and over a 6m encounter, he should use it more than 20 times. Any thoughts would be great, just trying help a fellow guildie thats all.
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Well... if you look at his place on the damage list and the place where you used to be when you were raiding, it should be pretty selfexplanatory.
However, you're very much right. HS is only ever to be used either if you've got such a full rage bar you really can't dump it in any other way, or if you've got ****** hit rating.
In any case, you only get 176 extra damage from HS, which scales a little with your crit rate, sure... But it will equal to only like 230-240 damage if you really use it extensively. This isn't even 2 DPR... You get almost the same amount of damage from a normal white hit, including you actually get rage for that.
So yes, truly a terrible ability to be over-using.
However, you're very much right. HS is only ever to be used either if you've got such a full rage bar you really can't dump it in any other way, or if you've got ****** hit rating.
In any case, you only get 176 extra damage from HS, which scales a little with your crit rate, sure... But it will equal to only like 230-240 damage if you really use it extensively. This isn't even 2 DPR... You get almost the same amount of damage from a normal white hit, including you actually get rage for that.
So yes, truly a terrible ability to be over-using.
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Well... if you look at his place on the damage list and the place where you used to be when you were raiding, it should be pretty selfexplanatory.
However, you're very much right. HS is only ever to be used either if you've got such a full rage bar you really can't dump it in any other way, or if you've got sh*tty hit rating.
In any case, you only get 176 extra damage from HS, which scales a little with your crit rate, sure... But it will equal to only like 230-240 damage if you really use it extensively. This isn't even 2 DPR... You get almost the same amount of damage from a normal white hit, including you actually get rage for that.
So yes, truly a terrible ability to be over-using.
However, you're very much right. HS is only ever to be used either if you've got such a full rage bar you really can't dump it in any other way, or if you've got sh*tty hit rating.
In any case, you only get 176 extra damage from HS, which scales a little with your crit rate, sure... But it will equal to only like 230-240 damage if you really use it extensively. This isn't even 2 DPR... You get almost the same amount of damage from a normal white hit, including you actually get rage for that.
So yes, truly a terrible ability to be over-using.
Wow, Utarius... that's awful misinformation.
First, in my DPS gear I'm running around 200 Hit (+3% = 16% To Hit), which means that using HS over a normal attack gives me effectively +12% to hit on the next attack. That's very good.
Secondly, Heroic Strikes cannot glance. On average, this is about a 5% damage gain over an autoattack in and of itself (varies somewhat with crit chance).
And third, it gets the bonuses from Impale, which is 10% more damage on a crit.
While he should be using BT more... a lot more, HS is far, far from crap.
While I understand some of that... There are some things I find unclear.
You have +16% chance to hit, which equals 8% chance to miss. HS's hit is capped at 5%, so using HS will guarantee that your next MH swing hits, thus effectively granting +8% hit on next attack... Where did you get +12% from?
Honestly had no idea about Glancing Blows, I generally fail to mention such mechanics since I haven't learned the basics of then, whereas you don't and have.
Again, not mentioning Impale was sloppy... Was fixed upon the fury tree the minute I understood it was a DW question, although I know I myself spec Impale with my DW specs...
You have +16% chance to hit, which equals 8% chance to miss. HS's hit is capped at 5%, so using HS will guarantee that your next MH swing hits, thus effectively granting +8% hit on next attack... Where did you get +12% from?
Honestly had no idea about Glancing Blows, I generally fail to mention such mechanics since I haven't learned the basics of then, whereas you don't and have.
Again, not mentioning Impale was sloppy... Was fixed upon the fury tree the minute I understood it was a DW question, although I know I myself spec Impale with my DW specs...
Given what has been said about the matter, do you think it would be more beneficial to use BT to increase the DPS, or would you need to see a WWS report for better information? I'll try and scrounge one up if need be.
Utarius wrote:
While I understand some of that... There are some things I find unclear.
You have +16% chance to hit, which equals 8% chance to miss. HS's hit is capped at 5%, so using HS will guarantee that your next MH swing hits, thus effectively granting +8% hit on next attack... Where did you get +12% from?
You have +16% chance to hit, which equals 8% chance to miss. HS's hit is capped at 5%, so using HS will guarantee that your next MH swing hits, thus effectively granting +8% hit on next attack... Where did you get +12% from?
Default chance to miss a boss-level monster is 9%, or 28% with the dual wield penalty. 5%/24% is against an equal-level opponent.
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Honestly had no idea about Glancing Blows, I generally fail to mention such mechanics since I haven't learned the basics of then, whereas you don't and have.
Again, not mentioning Impale was sloppy... Was fixed upon the fury tree the minute I understood it was a DW question, although I know I myself spec Impale with my DW specs...
Again, not mentioning Impale was sloppy... Was fixed upon the fury tree the minute I understood it was a DW question, although I know I myself spec Impale with my DW specs...
Fair enough. *shrug*
HS is by no means better than Bloodthirst in terms of Damage Per Rage (or just damage, period) but it's also by no means horrible.
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Given what has been said about the matter, do you think it would be more beneficial to use BT to increase the DPS, or would you need to see a WWS report for better information? I'll try and scrounge one up if need be
It honestly doesn't matter. If he isn't hitting BT every six seconds and WW every nine he's doing it wrong.
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