straight from the blues mouth:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202657569&pageNo=2&sid=2000#23
basically, they are drastically increasing the value of expertise, haste, and hit rating for druids. OoC will be changed to NOT proc off of yellow attacks, but the proc rate has been almost doubled (from 2 per minute to 3.5 per minute) and the internal cooldown has been removed. in short, the more white attacks you do, and the more white attacks that land, the more OoC procs youll get.
and yes, this WILL scale with haste, so the faster you are attacking the more OoC proc changes youll get. see the post in this link about 5-6 posts down by werebeef for an explanation on that.
what does this mean? feral druids will scale very well at the end game in terms of DPS potential in cat form. also, there is no dire cat form.
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so haste will also nicely help the slow 2.0 swings get ooc to proc that much more in bear also?. but since not procing off yellow hits there goes chance to proc of the swipes : (
I didnt like that internal cooldown it was too much of a nerf. i'm gonna have to read the post ya linked.
Edited, Jul 31st 2008 9:18pm by punkspider
I didnt like that internal cooldown it was too much of a nerf. i'm gonna have to read the post ya linked.
Edited, Jul 31st 2008 9:18pm by punkspider
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Edited, Aug 26th 2008 9:55pm by kawainui
Edited, Aug 26th 2008 9:55pm by kawainui
This is excellent news! Thanks for the link.
I'm glad that we have some official information that Blizzard intends for cat dps to be on par with the rest of the stabbers out there.
I'm glad that we have some official information that Blizzard intends for cat dps to be on par with the rest of the stabbers out there.
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Blue posts on Dire Cat. (What a Bummer :<)
...then the thread goes boom...
Dire Cat?: On the Beta Forums
Edited, Aug 1st 2008 3:22pm by GryphonStalker
Koraa wrote:
We have no plans to implement a "Dire Cat" form at this time. "Dire Bear" exists for the sole purpose of upgrading the Feral Druid's armor value to match the Warrior/Paladin etc. (Druids get no shield)
We do, however, intend to allow Druids to be able to use items and enchants with procs in forms, which I believe will work in the next beta build (don't hold me to it though).
We do, however, intend to allow Druids to be able to use items and enchants with procs in forms, which I believe will work in the next beta build (don't hold me to it though).
Lisana wrote:
What about the announcement of the new form at WWI?
edit: Info on dire cat form was originally released here, about the druid WWI panel:
http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/06/28/wwi-08-panel-druid/
Did the WWI people mess up? Are we at least getting the new model skins (there was mention of a possible new dire bear form model separate from bear)?
Now that all the WWI info is suspect, the druid community also needs a new update on the feral range bug "fix."
edit: Info on dire cat form was originally released here, about the druid WWI panel:
http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/06/28/wwi-08-panel-druid/
Did the WWI people mess up? Are we at least getting the new model skins (there was mention of a possible new dire bear form model separate from bear)?
Now that all the WWI info is suspect, the druid community also needs a new update on the feral range bug "fix."
Koraa wrote:
I think what Kalgan meant was that we intend to do different texture variances for Druid forms, including Cat form. Which is true, though not sure how soon we're going to get that. They may come from a repeatable quest, or through inscription.
Regarding the "Feral Range Bug," that really is not a bug. Have a Warrior, Rogue or any melee class play without using a snare and you'll encounter the same issue. The issue is that the server and client are not sync. When you try to do damage to the target, while your client shows him on your screen, the server disagree's and gives you an error. Snares help alleviate the problem, which is what we're giving Feral Druids in the form of "Infected Wounds" for the expansion.
Regarding the "Feral Range Bug," that really is not a bug. Have a Warrior, Rogue or any melee class play without using a snare and you'll encounter the same issue. The issue is that the server and client are not sync. When you try to do damage to the target, while your client shows him on your screen, the server disagree's and gives you an error. Snares help alleviate the problem, which is what we're giving Feral Druids in the form of "Infected Wounds" for the expansion.
...then the thread goes boom...
Dire Cat?: On the Beta Forums
Edited, Aug 1st 2008 3:22pm by GryphonStalker
1 - Scaling! Freaking finally!
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We do, however, intend to allow Druids to be able to use items and enchants with procs in forms, which I believe will work in the next beta build
Oh freaking yeah! I was beginning to be worried, since agi wont be that much of a stat to druid anymore, what kind of enchant we would use. Hope I can finally use something that procs on hit. Damn good!
3 - About the OoC change, I liked that. Really did. I dont see the fact that it wont proc from yellow atack that much of a nerf, since they are uping the rate.
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We do, however, intend to allow Druids to be able to use items and enchants with procs in forms, which I believe will work in the next beta build
Oh freaking yeah! I was beginning to be worried, since agi wont be that much of a stat to druid anymore, what kind of enchant we would use. Hope I can finally use something that procs on hit. Damn good!
3 - About the OoC change, I liked that. Really did. I dont see the fact that it wont proc from yellow atack that much of a nerf, since they are uping the rate.
Double post.
Edited, Aug 2nd 2008 3:50pm by Mazra
Edited, Aug 2nd 2008 3:50pm by Mazra
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
They're reducing the amount of crit gained from agility, though, aren't they? To Rogue levels, if I remember correctly.
And Talid in that thread linked to a Google video of my main gripe with the Druid class.
Edit: Does anyone know why some of the posters have a name that ends with an exclamation mark? Like Twong! Gimppy! and Winvii!
Ps. The modded Horde Cat form looks awesome in that photo. I hope they change the skin in the expansion.
And Talid in that thread linked to a Google video of my main gripe with the Druid class.
Edit: Does anyone know why some of the posters have a name that ends with an exclamation mark? Like Twong! Gimppy! and Winvii!
Ps. The modded Horde Cat form looks awesome in that photo. I hope they change the skin in the expansion.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Mazra wrote:
They're reducing the amount of crit gained from agility, though, aren't they? To Rogue levels, if I remember correctly.
Dunno to what level, but yes, they are dropping it.
Agility nerf / Sharpened Claws talent :Beta Forums
To help deal with this issue, in the next data push, Druids should find their melee critical strike chance is about 5% higher.
The conversion of agility to critical strike chance remains the same 40:1 at level 70, but the base amount for 0 agility has been increased by 5%.
Edited, Aug 2nd 2008 12:19pm by GryphonStalker
Jimmythenumbers wrote:
To help deal with this issue, in the next data push, Druids should find their melee critical strike chance is about 5% higher.
The conversion of agility to critical strike chance remains the same 40:1 at level 70, but the base amount for 0 agility has been increased by 5%.
Edited, Aug 2nd 2008 12:19pm by GryphonStalker
Its getting %5 more of what it is live or what it is on beta? I guess beta, right? Hmm...maybe that can solve come initial problem, but I worry about agility scale onwards.
Did anyone read the part where a blue claimed that the Cat form "range bug" was working as intended and was in fact not a bug? That it was simply the server and client being out of synch and that we were given the new Infected Wounds talent to counter it?
Man, that part pissed me off. People even linked to videos that show the problem in detail, but no response whatsoever.
Edited, Aug 3rd 2008 10:51pm by Mazra
Man, that part pissed me off. People even linked to videos that show the problem in detail, but no response whatsoever.
Edited, Aug 3rd 2008 10:51pm by Mazra
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Blue has been giving that answer for years Mazra, this is nothing new. How ever they are putting in effort to build a predictive system serverside that estimates where people will be to help combat error messages due to latency. Also they are implimenting a change so that attacks that require you to be behind your target cannot be dodged/blocked/parried anymore, so we shouldn't see any more dodged messages from shred in pvp.
Even if they won't admit that it is a bug, the changes should help nullify the problem. I've never had a problem hitting a snared target before, so now with the ability to apply our own snare we should be alright.
Even if they won't admit that it is a bug, the changes should help nullify the problem. I've never had a problem hitting a snared target before, so now with the ability to apply our own snare we should be alright.
it actually is a server/client thing maz. i get it all the time on my warrior where im in range for a melee move (as in, the move is highlighted in white, not red) and my warrior is swinging away with white damage, hitting the opponent, but i cant use any of my melee specials because im "not in range".
now, if a snare is on that person, thats much less likely to happen. enter infected wounds.
now, if a snare is on that person, thats much less likely to happen. enter infected wounds.
Mazra wrote:
Did anyone read the part where a blue claimed that the Cat form "range bug" was working as intended and was in fact not a bug? That it was simply the server and client being out of synch and that we were given the new Infected Wounds talent to counter it?
Man, that part pissed me off. People even linked to videos that show the problem in detail, but no response whatsoever.
Edited, Aug 3rd 2008 10:51pm by Mazra
Man, that part pissed me off. People even linked to videos that show the problem in detail, but no response whatsoever.
Edited, Aug 3rd 2008 10:51pm by Mazra
Luckily you're as dumb as they are, Maz!
That video was made in June, 2007.
From the 2.2 patch notes...
Druids
* Cat Form (Night Elf) melee attack range was too short compared to Tauren Cat Form and other attack ranges. It has been increased.
There is no feral range bug anymore, and the one that existed was only for the Night Elf cat form and not for the Tauren version. It has since been fixed. The current 'feral range bug' is an artifact of lag and no snare.
Oh, I see.
That would explain it, I guess. Except, it also happened to Tauren Cat form.
This is what they seem to believe is the problem. Whether that was fixed in the 2.2 patch or not, I don't know. Seems like the complaining is done by Night Elf and Tauren Druids alike.
That would explain it, I guess. Except, it also happened to Tauren Cat form.
This is what they seem to believe is the problem. Whether that was fixed in the 2.2 patch or not, I don't know. Seems like the complaining is done by Night Elf and Tauren Druids alike.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
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Edited, Aug 26th 2008 9:55pm by kawainui
Edited, Aug 26th 2008 9:55pm by kawainui
Mazra wrote:
Oh, I see.
That would explain it, I guess. Except, it also happened to Tauren Cat form.
This is what they seem to believe is the problem. Whether that was fixed in the 2.2 patch or not, I don't know. Seems like the complaining is done by Night Elf and Tauren Druids alike.
That would explain it, I guess. Except, it also happened to Tauren Cat form.
This is what they seem to believe is the problem. Whether that was fixed in the 2.2 patch or not, I don't know. Seems like the complaining is done by Night Elf and Tauren Druids alike.
Notice how that video is even older than the other one?
Seriously, go onto a Druid and find two other players who are willing to spend a moment or two to test something with you. Go find a mob, have one player hit it and you and the other player find your maximum range on the mob. It will be _exactly the same_. The hitbox on the cats is centered somewhat forward so your *** will be sticking out back, but so what?
There is no feral range bug anymore. There is whining about something that hasn't been in the game for nearly a year, but the bug? Not so much.
The video is old, yeah, but you still said:
Which the video clearly proves wasn't the case as the Druid in the video was Tauren.
I just logged in on my level 22 Druid on US Crushridge (OOT guild can confirm this), went to Orgrimmar and rooted one of the pigs outside the city. While standing at the pig's maximum attack range, I switched to Cat form and suddenly the pig stopped attacking me.
Video clip (need flash player to view).
So you tell me why you think that
RPZip wrote:
There is no feral range bug anymore, and the one that existed was only for the Night Elf cat form and not for the Tauren version.
Which the video clearly proves wasn't the case as the Druid in the video was Tauren.
RPZip wrote:
Seriously, go onto a Druid and find two other players who are willing to spend a moment or two to test something with you. Go find a mob, have one player hit it and you and the other player find your maximum range on the mob. It will be _exactly the same_.
I just logged in on my level 22 Druid on US Crushridge (OOT guild can confirm this), went to Orgrimmar and rooted one of the pigs outside the city. While standing at the pig's maximum attack range, I switched to Cat form and suddenly the pig stopped attacking me.
Video clip (need flash player to view).
So you tell me why you think that
RPZip wrote:
There is no feral range bug anymore.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
For ***** sake if I was a goddamn pig I wouldn't attack a malevolent looking angry lion with horns from the deepest levels of hell.
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