I would like to have some information on this trinket, from those who tried it.
I currently have the Shard of Contempt and Bloodlust Brooch. I have 1976 ap and 312 hit rating and I'm combat sword.
I would like to know if I should switch to this trinket when I'll get exalted with BT?
I know I have to do a 5s/5r rotation if I have this trinket on. I'm just wondering if it is worth to loose the AP and switch my rotation to get 145 crit (6,5% I think)
Thx in advance
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thx for answer. Yes I know about the DST ... still trying to acquire it, but the new trend on my server is to create pug with DST reserved ...
and since I'm in a casual/little raiding guild we can't form pug to go there ... Maybe one day I'll get it hahaha
and since I'm in a casual/little raiding guild we can't form pug to go there ... Maybe one day I'll get it hahaha
I don't mean for this to sound odd...but how are you able to get your exalted BT trinket, but NOT able to do gruul runs to get a DST?
My guild doesn't do Gruul's anymore and we are now doing BT.
So...
No Gruul's=No DST
Yes BT=Yes AToL
So...
No Gruul's=No DST
Yes BT=Yes AToL
FletusSanguine wrote:
I don't mean for this to sound odd...but how are you able to get your exalted BT trinket, but NOT able to do gruul runs to get a DST?
A more important question is how are you in T6 and not know that AToL is one of the best trinkets out there for rogues?
Theo, note that I didn't say anything about AToL that implied it wasn't good in my post. You're jumping the gun here. I'm well aware of it's power with a 5s/5r rotation. It is AMAZING. I'm hoping my rogue alt can get into BT sometime soon to get it, though it'll be awhile since getting the lil' guy in on enough runs to get it as a MT in the guild won't be easy.
What I was asking is why, if he is able to get the AToL, is his guild not able to go back after a raid one day and knock out a raid that we clear in 15 minutes on off nights? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought it was still a decent-to-awesome trinket for DPS, depending on their class. If he or other DPS could still use the trinket it doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. We still hit it up for exactly that reason, and for free voids for the bank.
Edited, Jul 30th 2008 4:44pm by FletusSanguine
What I was asking is why, if he is able to get the AToL, is his guild not able to go back after a raid one day and knock out a raid that we clear in 15 minutes on off nights? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought it was still a decent-to-awesome trinket for DPS, depending on their class. If he or other DPS could still use the trinket it doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. We still hit it up for exactly that reason, and for free voids for the bank.
Edited, Jul 30th 2008 4:44pm by FletusSanguine
FletusSanguine wrote:
Theo, note that I didn't say anything about AToL that implied it wasn't good in my post. You're jumping the gun here. I'm well aware of it's power with a 5s/5r rotation. It is AMAZING. I'm hoping my rogue alt can get into BT sometime soon to get it, though it'll be awhile since getting the lil' guy in on enough runs to get it as a MT in the guild won't be easy.
What I was asking is why, if he is able to get the AToL, is his guild not able to go back after a raid one day and knock out a raid that we clear in 15 minutes on off nights? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought it was still a decent-to-awesome trinket for DPS, depending on their class. If he or other DPS could still use the trinket it doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. We still hit it up for exactly that reason, and for free voids for the bank.
What I was asking is why, if he is able to get the AToL, is his guild not able to go back after a raid one day and knock out a raid that we clear in 15 minutes on off nights? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought it was still a decent-to-awesome trinket for DPS, depending on their class. If he or other DPS could still use the trinket it doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. We still hit it up for exactly that reason, and for free voids for the bank.
He wasn't talking to you. He may be about to start, though, so buckle up :P
FletusSanguine wrote:
Theo, note that I didn't say anything about AToL that implied it wasn't good in my post. You're jumping the gun here. I'm well aware of it's power with a 5s/5r rotation. It is AMAZING. I'm hoping my rogue alt can get into BT sometime soon to get it, though it'll be awhile since getting the lil' guy in on enough runs to get it as a MT in the guild won't be easy.
What I was asking is why, if he is able to get the AToL, is his guild not able to go back after a raid one day and knock out a raid that we clear in 15 minutes on off nights? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought it was still a decent-to-awesome trinket for DPS, depending on their class. If he or other DPS could still use the trinket it doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. We still hit it up for exactly that reason, and for free voids for the bank.
Edited, Jul 30th 2008 4:44pm by FletusSanguine
What I was asking is why, if he is able to get the AToL, is his guild not able to go back after a raid one day and knock out a raid that we clear in 15 minutes on off nights? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought it was still a decent-to-awesome trinket for DPS, depending on their class. If he or other DPS could still use the trinket it doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. We still hit it up for exactly that reason, and for free voids for the bank.
Edited, Jul 30th 2008 4:44pm by FletusSanguine
I wasn't commenting on you. I was commenting on the OP, who obviously doesn't know how to do research.
Overlord Theophany wrote:
I wasn't commenting on you. I was commenting on the OP, who obviously doesn't know how to do research.
My misunderstanding. You were quoting me and then commenting on him through that, got it now. On that point, agreed. You'd think by this point in content, a person would have at least nailed down a spreadsheet to make gear choices with if they haven't figured out how to pick and choose on their own.
If your guild is unwilling to spend 20 minutes after an early raid night getting DST, I'd get a new guild. We run it weekly to try and get our BM hunter his, and when he has it we'll probably run it for the Survival hunter and the rogues who never got it.
you'd give it to a surv hunter over a rogue?
Edited, Jul 31st 2008 1:05pm by spdr
Edited, Jul 31st 2008 1:05pm by spdr
@Theo: I know how to look for information. I specified that I know I have to do a 5s/5r rotation. I know it is good. I just wanted opinion from rogue who used it.
And it is not because I have T6 gear that I have suppose to know everything. I wanted more info on that trinket because the lack of stats on it got me worried a bit.
your reply were stupid and useless. If you don't want to help me thats fine, but just don't answer.
@Fletus: Ran Gruul for months last year and no drop. And as I mentionned in my reply (3rd post) I'm in a casual guild (raiding monday and wednesday) and we are a small guild. It means, when raid are over ... there is 10 peoples online max. And as I said, I'm running Gruul pug, but first the DST has to drop then I have to win it. So chance are slim.
And no I'm not using spreadsheet, I hate these things. I know what stats I want I don't need a program to tell me what I need. Once again I just wanted some info ... but it seems its hard to get here.
Thx to those who answered in a proper way.
And it is not because I have T6 gear that I have suppose to know everything. I wanted more info on that trinket because the lack of stats on it got me worried a bit.
your reply were stupid and useless. If you don't want to help me thats fine, but just don't answer.
@Fletus: Ran Gruul for months last year and no drop. And as I mentionned in my reply (3rd post) I'm in a casual guild (raiding monday and wednesday) and we are a small guild. It means, when raid are over ... there is 10 peoples online max. And as I said, I'm running Gruul pug, but first the DST has to drop then I have to win it. So chance are slim.
And no I'm not using spreadsheet, I hate these things. I know what stats I want I don't need a program to tell me what I need. Once again I just wanted some info ... but it seems its hard to get here.
Thx to those who answered in a proper way.
So you'd rather have people use the spreadsheet for you and tell you want you need based on what that sheet says, instead of doing it yourself?
lol
I asked for their advice and their experience with trinket, not what the spreadsheet told them
I asked for their advice and their experience with trinket, not what the spreadsheet told them
The spreadsheet is based off of peoples experiences and studies.
galheon wrote:
@Theo: I know how to look for information. I specified that I know I have to do a 5s/5r rotation. I know it is good. I just wanted opinion from rogue who used it.
And it is not because I have T6 gear that I have suppose to know everything. I wanted more info on that trinket because the lack of stats on it got me worried a bit.
your reply were stupid and useless. If you don't want to help me thats fine, but just don't answer.
And it is not because I have T6 gear that I have suppose to know everything. I wanted more info on that trinket because the lack of stats on it got me worried a bit.
your reply were stupid and useless. If you don't want to help me thats fine, but just don't answer.
You're a ******* moron. You obviously have little to no clue about the mechanics of our class if you think that AToL (which is the third best trinket in the game, behind Blackened Naaru Silver and DST) needs more stats.
If my reply was stupid and useless, what are you, as a T6 rogue who doesn't know **** about the class?
First I know my class and how it works.
Second: AToL is fourth best trinket in game behind shard of contempt. Expertise is the most important stats. Big mistake for a guy who claims to know how the class works and treat other people of moron.
Third: You have little to no clue how to behave in life
Fourth: Still thx for the "information" I will buy it, as soon as I get de rep for it. Maybe treating me of moron and bad rogue, was your way of saying that I should buy it ASAP and use it instead of BB.
Second: AToL is fourth best trinket in game behind shard of contempt. Expertise is the most important stats. Big mistake for a guy who claims to know how the class works and treat other people of moron.
Third: You have little to no clue how to behave in life
Fourth: Still thx for the "information" I will buy it, as soon as I get de rep for it. Maybe treating me of moron and bad rogue, was your way of saying that I should buy it ASAP and use it instead of BB.
Overlord Theophany wrote:
galheon wrote:
@Theo: I know how to look for information. I specified that I know I have to do a 5s/5r rotation. I know it is good. I just wanted opinion from rogue who used it.
And it is not because I have T6 gear that I have suppose to know everything. I wanted more info on that trinket because the lack of stats on it got me worried a bit.
your reply were stupid and useless. If you don't want to help me thats fine, but just don't answer.
And it is not because I have T6 gear that I have suppose to know everything. I wanted more info on that trinket because the lack of stats on it got me worried a bit.
your reply were stupid and useless. If you don't want to help me thats fine, but just don't answer.
You're a @#%^ing moron. You obviously have little to no clue about the mechanics of our class if you think that AToL (which is the third best trinket in the game, behind Blackened Naaru Silver and DST) needs more stats.
If my reply was stupid and useless, what are you, as a T6 rogue who doesn't know sh*t about the class?
While the AToL is quite good, riddle me this; which is better, ~4.5% Crit (assuming you use a 5-point finisher ~15s, which is feasible with 5s/5r and a 1.4) or 2.75% Expertise and 100 AP?
Hint: It wasn't the crit.
RPZip wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
galheon wrote:
@Theo: I know how to look for information. I specified that I know I have to do a 5s/5r rotation. I know it is good. I just wanted opinion from rogue who used it.
And it is not because I have T6 gear that I have suppose to know everything. I wanted more info on that trinket because the lack of stats on it got me worried a bit.
your reply were stupid and useless. If you don't want to help me thats fine, but just don't answer.
And it is not because I have T6 gear that I have suppose to know everything. I wanted more info on that trinket because the lack of stats on it got me worried a bit.
your reply were stupid and useless. If you don't want to help me thats fine, but just don't answer.
You're a @#%^ing moron. You obviously have little to no clue about the mechanics of our class if you think that AToL (which is the third best trinket in the game, behind Blackened Naaru Silver and DST) needs more stats.
If my reply was stupid and useless, what are you, as a T6 rogue who doesn't know sh*t about the class?
While the AToL is quite good, riddle me this; which is better, ~4.5% Crit (assuming you use a 5-point finisher ~15s, which is feasible with 5s/5r and a 1.4) or 2.75% Expertise and 100 AP?
Hint: It wasn't the crit.
Testing indicates that AToL is better than Shard. It's a slight difference at best using older models, but most older spreadsheets were under-valuing AToL.
So it's pretty much a tie for 3rd.
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