OK, I'm a *********, I'm leveling as Holy. For most of my life I've been judging Wisdom and sealing Rightousness with BoW going. In Outlands it's been very slow going, so I've started second guessing myself about going for mana efficency over damage. Would it be better to judge Crusader for the +holy damage? My theory is if through the boost to my righteous swings/shocks I do enough damage to not need to cast another Holy shock, that's a big mana boost.
Just curious what others do. Has anyone tried both? Is there an established Holy grinding rhythem? Thanks.
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righteousness, judge it, divine favor holy shock, then holy shock and judge righteousness on cd.
very slow going though. ide advise to instance your way to 70
very slow going though. ide advise to instance your way to 70
As Holy, I'd recommend going a prot pala method of grinding. You've got a sword and board, you should have a reasonable amount of spell dmg from your healing gear.
Pull 4 or 5 mobs, conscecrate, self heal, judge and shock as needed, win.
Against a single melee mob, I normally judge light, seal of vengence, go make coffee :D
Pull 4 or 5 mobs, conscecrate, self heal, judge and shock as needed, win.
Against a single melee mob, I normally judge light, seal of vengence, go make coffee :D
Maara wrote:
OK, I'm a *********, I'm leveling as Holy. For most of my life I've been judging Wisdom and sealing Rightousness with BoW going. In Outlands it's been very slow going, so I've started second guessing myself about going for mana efficency over damage. Would it be better to judge Crusader for the +holy damage? My theory is if through the boost to my righteous swings/shocks I do enough damage to not need to cast another Holy shock, that's a big mana boost.
Just curious what others do. Has anyone tried both? Is there an established Holy grinding rhythem? Thanks.
Just curious what others do. Has anyone tried both? Is there an established Holy grinding rhythem? Thanks.
Try it. You should see an improvement in killing speed while retaining most of your mana efficiency. If you pull by Judging Crusader, you should be able to kill the mob without needing to Holy Shock more than once, at least on single pull, same-level mobs. At the very least, you should be able take the mob down to 20% during Holy Shock's cooldown, in which case Hammer of Wrath becomes available. Judging SoR or SoV is of course the most mana-efficient alternative to Holy Shock. In general though, I would really only race to kill a mob if it's one that heals itself or throws up some kind of nasty damage/debuff at you before dying.
My other recommendation for saving on mana while grinding is to work some +STR plate into your kit. If you can get some nice blues that have STR/INT/STAM or STR/AGI/STAM from quest rewards or dungeon drops, the increased white damage will often compensate for the loss of MP, +spell damage, and +spell crit. I was a big fan of the Azureplate Greaves for example, which I kept for daily grinding long after I dinged 70.
Here's what I did originally:
SotC
JotC (immediately)
SoR
JoR (everytime it was up)
Hammer
It was painfully slow. So I started throwing in Holy Shock in the mix, and it was still slow, but I used up more mana.
Then, I changed to:
Pop Vengeance of Illidari -> Divine Illumination -> Divine Favor -> Holy Shock
JoR
SoR
JoR
SoR
Hammer
I never used Holy Shock more than once per pull because it used too much mana.
Keep trinket, Divine Illumination, and Divine Favor on CD.
This sequence helped me kill fast, and keep mana efficiency.
If you judge Righteousness to start, you get a big head start in damage. Loosing that initial judgment could be why you are casting 2 Holy Shocks. The same holds true for judging Crusader. Unless you are taking on an elite (or other mob that will take you a while to kill), you may be better off just sticking with JoR/SoR. At least, that is what worked for me.
Since my spell damage wasn't very high while leveling, I also used a big 2H weapon to kill with (benefits more from SoR). Once you get significant spell damage though, swapping over to a 1H + shield is more viable.
At least, that is what worked in my experience.
EDIT - I also spec'd for Imp SoR while leveling. It helped significantly.
Edited, Jul 28th 2008 12:14pm by YJMark
SotC
JotC (immediately)
SoR
JoR (everytime it was up)
Hammer
It was painfully slow. So I started throwing in Holy Shock in the mix, and it was still slow, but I used up more mana.
Then, I changed to:
Pop Vengeance of Illidari -> Divine Illumination -> Divine Favor -> Holy Shock
JoR
SoR
JoR
SoR
Hammer
I never used Holy Shock more than once per pull because it used too much mana.
Keep trinket, Divine Illumination, and Divine Favor on CD.
This sequence helped me kill fast, and keep mana efficiency.
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For most of my life I've been judging Wisdom and sealing Rightousness with BoW going.
If you judge Righteousness to start, you get a big head start in damage. Loosing that initial judgment could be why you are casting 2 Holy Shocks. The same holds true for judging Crusader. Unless you are taking on an elite (or other mob that will take you a while to kill), you may be better off just sticking with JoR/SoR. At least, that is what worked for me.
Since my spell damage wasn't very high while leveling, I also used a big 2H weapon to kill with (benefits more from SoR). Once you get significant spell damage though, swapping over to a 1H + shield is more viable.
At least, that is what worked in my experience.
EDIT - I also spec'd for Imp SoR while leveling. It helped significantly.
Edited, Jul 28th 2008 12:14pm by YJMark
I'm not sure if it is viable without decent spell damage (I have ~900) but what I do is pull 5-6 mobs and consecrate SoR and JoR while auto attacking and heal and shock when necessary. I go through my mana in about 2 pulls but that isnt too bad as it is ~10-12 kills between each drink. If the mobs are slightly lower level I can go through 3-4 PACKS of 5 before needing to drink.
While leveling as holy what I did was try and kill mobs as fast as possible so would JoC, SoR, Holy Shock, JoR when Judgement is off CD. If pulling more than 1 mob I would consecrate.
But really - as Serialthrill says. Way easier to instance your way up to 70. If you do instances a level or 2 below required level (which is easy as a healer) you will make insane XP. And do all the instance quests. I instance up to 68 and then went and did all green quests in terrokar/Zanga and only started on Nagrand at 69. Hit 70 without seeing BEM or any other zone past Nagrand :P
GL and enjoy - Holy is awesome and shockadins can do some nice dps for grinding - especially in short 15 second bursts against demons :P
While leveling as holy what I did was try and kill mobs as fast as possible so would JoC, SoR, Holy Shock, JoR when Judgement is off CD. If pulling more than 1 mob I would consecrate.
But really - as Serialthrill says. Way easier to instance your way up to 70. If you do instances a level or 2 below required level (which is easy as a healer) you will make insane XP. And do all the instance quests. I instance up to 68 and then went and did all green quests in terrokar/Zanga and only started on Nagrand at 69. Hit 70 without seeing BEM or any other zone past Nagrand :P
GL and enjoy - Holy is awesome and shockadins can do some nice dps for grinding - especially in short 15 second bursts against demons :P
Maara wrote:
OK, I'm a *********, I'm leveling as Holy. For most of my life I've been judging Wisdom and sealing Rightousness with BoW going. In Outlands it's been very slow going, so I've started second guessing myself about going for mana efficency over damage. Would it be better to judge Crusader for the +holy damage? My theory is if through the boost to my righteous swings/shocks I do enough damage to not need to cast another Holy shock, that's a big mana boost.
Just curious what others do. Has anyone tried both? Is there an established Holy grinding rhythem? Thanks.
Just curious what others do. Has anyone tried both? Is there an established Holy grinding rhythem? Thanks.
I lvled as holy (switched to prot at 70 and never looked back). I'd see if there where places I could round up a few and wear them down, walking backwards towards next mob while hitting my current target. I did the prot thing as holy, with ret aura, shieldspike, and consecrates only. I switched to conc aura when I needed a heal, then back to ret again. I had a spelldamage set for this tho (this was before healing got 1/3 spelldamage as well). BoW up always, JoR against single mobs, JoV on 2 mobs if there is more than one.
I did not kill quickly, but I never died. Seriously, never died (never died much as a pally, so it was a shock to play another class and starting to do corpse runs).
It's NOT efficient, but the plus of not dying means you don't really spend more time lvling than other classes. No corpse runs = more time killing stuff.
I'm in my lower 50s and I'm Prot. So take this with a grain of salt.
I've found single mob killing to be fastest with Crusader, then Righteousness, then drop a consecration. Keep up Wisdom. (I use BoK, but you might not have access to that.) I also keep Ret. Aura up.
If I fight casters, I judge heals or +mana. Then I seal myself with Justice. This will not up your damage, but will occasionaly stun them - thus stopping the spell cast.
I'm not sure of your multi-mob tactics. I've been running Prot. since the lower 40s.
I've found single mob killing to be fastest with Crusader, then Righteousness, then drop a consecration. Keep up Wisdom. (I use BoK, but you might not have access to that.) I also keep Ret. Aura up.
If I fight casters, I judge heals or +mana. Then I seal myself with Justice. This will not up your damage, but will occasionaly stun them - thus stopping the spell cast.
I'm not sure of your multi-mob tactics. I've been running Prot. since the lower 40s.
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If I fight casters, I judge heals or +mana. Then I seal myself with Justice. This will not up your damage, but will occasionaly stun them - thus stopping the spell cast.
This is not a good idea against casters. The occassional stun may seem cool, but killing them 2x as fast is much more efficient. Just use your HoJ to stun them :)
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