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#1 Jul 25 2008 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
Hello all!

I need some input on the gear that I am wearing. Before you check my character, please note I am DW fury spec with 5/5 points in Flurry and I have Rampage (going for high DPS numbers... currently sitting at 140 dps according to FuBar DPS). That said, I am using leather armor. Not because I paticularly enjoy wearing leather, but because +agi/+ crit % gear is very difficult and inordinately expensive to get at my level range. Now granted this shouldn't be much of a problem once I get to Outland and can start questing to build faction in Shattrath (already looked at the faction vendor armor sets... very nice) and most certainly won't be a problem when I hit the high 60's and start grinding the BG's for the Gladiator set.

I'm just looking for some input. I get a lot of mixed reactions in-game from people ranging from "nice gear" all the way to "wow what a noob tard! get some plate or quit playing a job you obviously suck at!" while in towns. Nobody seems to have any comment when they see me out grinding xp or farming skins... but bleh. Any suggestions on gear upgrades that doesn't involve grinding either the instances or the BG's (I tried the BG grinding route once before when I was level 19 and ended up having the gear be outdated in 5 levels and I grinded SM when I was in my mid 30's for the Scarlet Chain set only to have it all outdated by the time I was level 46... don't see much point in devoting days and weeks of grinding for gear that isn't going to last me much more than 6-7 levels and ultimately end up having to do it all over again... I'd rather wait until I hit the end-game or close to it and then grind out then rather than once every 6-7 levels).

Thanks in advance.
#2 Jul 25 2008 at 3:32 PM Rating: Decent
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disclaimer: i personally don't really care about how people gear themselves while leveling.

that being said...

while you can definitely make do with what you are wearing, it's hardly optimal. plate armor will help your survivability when grinding. additionally, your gear hardly has any strength on it, and instead focuses on agility. i don't have the numbers on hand that equate X amount of strength to Y amount of dps, or A amount of agility to B amount of dps, but when you find the number you'll see that strength is a far more efficient source of dps for warriors. all that crit on your gear might look good, but the truth of the matter is that you need to have 25% of crit unbuffed in battle stance (28% in zerker) to have optimal flurry uptime. also, your lack of hit rating means that you lose out on a lot of dps from both white and yellow attacks.

the best advice i can give you is to get the ice barbed spear from the AV quest, spec into 2/2 imp slam and learn a slam rotation. also, buy any plate greens with strength and stamina on them, and respec to something like this.

Edited, Jul 25th 2008 7:35pm by fromanthebarbarian
#3 Jul 25 2008 at 10:53 PM Rating: Decent
fromanthebarbarian wrote:


disclaimer: i personally don't really care about how people gear themselves while leveling.

that being said...

while you can definitely make do with what you are wearing, it's hardly optimal. plate armor will help your survivability when grinding. additionally, your gear hardly has any strength on it, and instead focuses on agility. i don't have the numbers on hand that equate X amount of strength to Y amount of dps, or A amount of agility to B amount of dps, but when you find the number you'll see that strength is a far more efficient source of dps for warriors. all that crit on your gear might look good, but the truth of the matter is that you need to have 25% of crit unbuffed in battle stance (28% in zerker) to have optimal flurry uptime. also, your lack of hit rating means that you lose out on a lot of dps from both white and yellow attacks.

the best advice i can give you is to get the ice barbed spear from the AV quest, spec into 2/2 imp slam and learn a slam rotation. also, buy any plate greens with strength and stamina on them, and respec to something like this.


Yea I don't have the actual numbers either for what breaks down into what... but I can tell you my crit % unbuffed is 25.50% in battle stance and 28.50% in beserker stance. As for survivability... believe it or not I am able to take mobs 2 levels higher than me in Winterspring like they are 2-3 levels below me without going below 60% HP. The only exception to this rule, however, is with caster mobs. The Highborne in Winterspring come immediately to mind. Caster mobs give me trouble, which I would imagine comes from my lack of HP or elemental resistance.

As for the spec you recommended, I thought about something like that at first... especially for Impale and Deep Wounds... but decided against it because I would loose out on Bloodthirst and Rampage (which I cannot imagine living without... Bloodthirst regularly hits yellow for 350-400 damage and Rampage fully procced brings my AP up to just over 750 and boosts my overall damage output).

As for my current spec build, this is what I have got:

Warrior 0/42/2

And this is probably what I'm going to end up with as I level up to 70:

Warrior 8/43/10

And once I hit level 70 and start doing raids, this will be what I probably respect to:

Warrior 16/45/0

Or when I am doing BG's/Arena:

Warrior 31/30/0


But really.... I fully plan on going plate with the last two spec builds (would not dream of doing raids or any form of PvP in leather)... but by the time I get to 70 and do raids and PvP, I'll have access to Gladiator from the Alliance BG vendor in SW, access to the Shattrath rep plate set vendors (don't remember their names off the top of my head), and the Arena sets... all of which offer very lucrative agi/crit % stats in plate gear. As survivable as I am now (ignoring caster mobs when I say that), I know my survivability will only increase once I get into one of those gear sets.

That's where my train of thought is at the moment. Any input?

Edited, Jul 26th 2008 4:57am by neocronNV
#4 Jul 26 2008 at 9:05 AM Rating: Decent
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you want the standard 17/44 spec if you're going to raid as dual-wield fury.

any points in blood craze are useless... if you plan on even getting hit in a raid, never mind critted, well let's say you'll spend a lot of time running back from the graveyard.

also, impale and improved zerker stance should be maxed, and also put 1 point in improved whirlwind.

if you have 150 hit rating/9% hit with precision, you may want to shift points into imp. execute.

almost didn't notice that you maxed iron will. the points there are better spent in imp. tclap in case you don't have a warrior tanking the boss (which happened to me in our first morogrim kill, i had to debuff morogrim with demo shout and tclap).

also, the points in unbridled wrath are better spent in the other talents i mentioned, since the proc has been shifted to ~8.6 ppm rather than a flat % increase. if you gear yourself correctly, dps correctly, and you're buffed sufficiently rage starvation is not a problem in raids.


DO NOT. pvp as dual wield spec unless in a 5v5 or mucking around in BG's where you're not as likely to be noticed. any serious pvp build must have weapon mastery and second wind.
#5 Jul 26 2008 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
fromanthebarbarian wrote:


you want the standard 17/44 spec if you're going to raid as dual-wield fury.

any points in blood craze are useless... if you plan on even getting hit in a raid, never mind critted, well let's say you'll spend a lot of time running back from the graveyard.

also, impale and improved zerker stance should be maxed, and also put 1 point in improved whirlwind.

if you have 150 hit rating/9% hit with precision, you may want to shift points into imp. execute.

almost didn't notice that you maxed iron will. the points there are better spent in imp. tclap in case you don't have a warrior tanking the boss (which happened to me in our first morogrim kill, i had to debuff morogrim with demo shout and tclap).

also, the points in unbridled wrath are better spent in the other talents i mentioned, since the proc has been shifted to ~8.6 ppm rather than a flat % increase. if you gear yourself correctly, dps correctly, and you're buffed sufficiently rage starvation is not a problem in raids.


DO NOT. pvp as dual wield spec unless in a 5v5 or mucking around in BG's where you're not as likely to be noticed. any serious pvp build must have weapon mastery and second wind.


I had not considered the 17/44 build for raiding purposes... I will definitely take a serious look at that.

As for what you said about blood craze, I agree.... if I'm getting hit by a raid boss... I'm probably doing something very wrong and ticking off the tanks/off-tanks and healers.

I thought about dropping points into imp. execute, but I honestly find I don't use it all that often while leveling. Now for raiding purposes, that would be a very helpful talent and one I will look into using. But when I'm out soloing, I find using execute is a great waste of rage, especially since I'd have to use Beserker Rage to use Intercept or Rampage at the start of my next fight. I tried it a couple of times, but found my xp/hr and farming/hr suffered greatly due to rage starvation (which is bad for me since I rely almost entirely upon a Rampage/Bloodthirst rotation).

As for the points in Iron Will, I don't know about in raids, but when I've done instances (always in PUG), I can't rely upon anyone to keep people from getting charmed. And with my crit % rate as high as it is, I can and have utterely decimated 1/2 my party while under the effects of charm. SFK comes immediately to mind. And while it's certainly entertaining to watch my character go on a killing spree, it's a bit counterproductive when your first target happens to be your healer/rezzor. **lol**

As for umbridled wrath, very good point. I find myself with a lot of extra rage, which while being good when I solo/farm, probably won't be all that useful in raid situations.

And lastely, I never planned on DW'ing anything in a PvP environment, regardless of what I happen to be doing. DW is good for sustained long-term DPS, but not so good when it comes to quick bursts of damage. A 2H weapon is a must as far as I'm concerned for PvP. After all, people are not like mobs... they don't stand there wailing on you while you wail on them. People tend to run around in circles, jump around erratically, and otherwise do what they can to stay alive... which makes any sort of DW setup all but useless in PvP. At least that's my opinion. We'll have to see how WotLK changes things with the introduction of Titan's Grip and the (theoritical) possibility of DW'ing 2H weapons...

Edited, Jul 26th 2008 1:20pm by neocronNV
#6 Jul 26 2008 at 1:00 PM Rating: Decent
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neocronNV, Guardian of the Glade wrote:
As for the points in Iron Will, I don't know about in raids, but when I've done instances (always in PUG), I can't rely upon anyone to keep people from getting charmed. And with my crit % rate as high as it is, I can and have utterely decimated 1/2 my party while under the effects of charm. SFK comes immediately to mind. And while it's certainly entertaining to watch my character go on a killing spree, it's a bit counterproductive when your first target happens to be your healer/rezzor. **lol**


having the 5 points in iron will to combat something that happens only occasionally is a poor choice of talents. better to put them in one of the talents i mentioned and buff your damage output more, so you can help the other dps burn the MC'ing/charming/fearing mob down first and fast.
#7 Jul 26 2008 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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wow that's kinda crazy... my 50 warr has 686ap unbuffed...

i always went for a 2:1 str:agi ratio, not the other way around lol
#8 Jul 26 2008 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
fromanthebarbarian wrote:
neocronNV, Guardian of the Glade wrote:
As for the points in Iron Will, I don't know about in raids, but when I've done instances (always in PUG), I can't rely upon anyone to keep people from getting charmed. And with my crit % rate as high as it is, I can and have utterely decimated 1/2 my party while under the effects of charm. SFK comes immediately to mind. And while it's certainly entertaining to watch my character go on a killing spree, it's a bit counterproductive when your first target happens to be your healer/rezzor. **lol**


having the 5 points in iron will to combat something that happens only occasionally is a poor choice of talents. better to put them in one of the talents i mentioned and buff your damage output more, so you can help the other dps burn the MC'ing/charming/fearing mob down first and fast.


Good point. :)
#9 Jul 26 2008 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
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i may have also forgotten to mention that a lot of our "best in slot" gear is leather.
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