fromanthebarbarian wrote:
you want the standard 17/44 spec if you're going to raid as dual-wield fury.
any points in blood craze are useless... if you plan on even getting hit in a raid, never mind critted, well let's say you'll spend a lot of time running back from the graveyard.
also, impale and improved zerker stance should be maxed, and also put 1 point in improved whirlwind.
if you have 150 hit rating/9% hit with precision, you may want to shift points into imp. execute.
almost didn't notice that you maxed iron will. the points there are better spent in imp. tclap in case you don't have a warrior tanking the boss (which happened to me in our first morogrim kill, i had to debuff morogrim with demo shout and tclap).
also, the points in unbridled wrath are better spent in the other talents i mentioned, since the proc has been shifted to ~8.6 ppm rather than a flat % increase. if you gear yourself correctly, dps correctly, and you're buffed sufficiently rage starvation is not a problem in raids.
DO NOT. pvp as dual wield spec unless in a 5v5 or mucking around in BG's where you're not as likely to be noticed. any serious pvp build must have weapon mastery and second wind.
I had not considered the 17/44 build for raiding purposes... I will definitely take a serious look at that.
As for what you said about blood craze, I agree.... if I'm getting hit by a raid boss... I'm probably doing something very wrong and ticking off the tanks/off-tanks and healers.
I thought about dropping points into imp. execute, but I honestly find I don't use it all that often while leveling. Now for raiding purposes, that would be a very helpful talent and one I will look into using. But when I'm out soloing, I find using execute is a great waste of rage, especially since I'd have to use Beserker Rage to use Intercept or Rampage at the start of my next fight. I tried it a couple of times, but found my xp/hr and farming/hr suffered greatly due to rage starvation (which is bad for me since I rely almost entirely upon a Rampage/Bloodthirst rotation).
As for the points in Iron Will, I don't know about in raids, but when I've done instances (always in PUG), I can't rely upon anyone to keep people from getting charmed. And with my crit % rate as high as it is, I can and have utterely decimated 1/2 my party while under the effects of charm. SFK comes immediately to mind. And while it's certainly entertaining to watch my character go on a killing spree, it's a bit counterproductive when your first target happens to be your healer/rezzor. **lol**
As for umbridled wrath, very good point. I find myself with a lot of extra rage, which while being good when I solo/farm, probably won't be all that useful in raid situations.
And lastely, I never planned on DW'ing anything in a PvP environment, regardless of what I happen to be doing. DW is good for sustained long-term DPS, but not so good when it comes to quick bursts of damage. A 2H weapon is a must as far as I'm concerned for PvP. After all, people are not like mobs... they don't stand there wailing on you while you wail on them. People tend to run around in circles, jump around erratically, and otherwise do what they can to stay alive... which makes any sort of DW setup all but useless in PvP. At least that's my opinion. We'll have to see how WotLK changes things with the introduction of Titan's Grip and the (theoritical) possibility of DW'ing 2H weapons...
Edited, Jul 26th 2008 1:20pm by neocronNV