I recently hit 60(almost 63 now) and respecced Resto. I am duoing with my g/f who is a Pally Tank. We have decided to level entirely through Instances so that when we hit 70 we can have decent gear, go back and do all the quests to make some money and rep.
I have around +450 Heals already, and so far I have had no problems keeping her up. I normally drop WF Totem(No wrath of air yet, what level does that come at?), Strength of Earth and Mana Spring, dropping Mana Tide if I either one of us gets to about 1/4 mana. I typically just cast the highest rank available of Lesser Healing Wave unless she gets below 65-70% health then throw Healing Waves until she's above 90% then go back the Lessers, with Chain Heals thrown in if Melee's get AoEs and whatnot.
Would I be better off casting lower ranks of Healing Wave instead of Lesser Healing wave with talents like healing Way or is the way I am doing things fine for now? Really at what point does it become necessary to down rank my heals, and what heals and ranks of those heals is it best to keep on my bar/in clique?
Also, what add-ons are good for healers to have beside clique? I have clique but also use Discord Unit Frames, and it doesn't seem to work right with it. Thinking of picking up Grid also and just putting that off to the side to with decursive right above it.
Thanks in advance for any helpful answers.
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Lathais wrote:
I normally drop WF Totem(No wrath of air yet, what level does that come at?)
Wrath of Air Totem - Shows to be received at level 64
Lathais wrote:
Also, what add-ons are good for healers to have beside clique? I have clique but also use Discord Unit Frames, and it doesn't seem to work right with it. Thinking of picking up Grid also and just putting that off to the side to with decursive right above it.
Well the question is, are you running out of mana fast? Do you have to constantly drink, etc?
If you're spamming LHW, she shouldn't be getting so low in health. If you're constantly running out of mana, spam a downranked LHW.
As for addons, I use Healbot. It gets some getting used to, but I like it so far.
Others may disagree with me, but I've always just kept my higher ranked heals only on my action bar. Mainly because I hardly run out of mana during fights, so if I have the mana for it, there's no point in me downranking. In all reality, it just depends on the situation on whether or not you want to downrank.
I did read somewhere on Elitist Jerks that it'd be better for a shammy to spam CH on the tank, that way if the melee do receive damage they get healed anyway too... (or something like that). I'll have to find where I read that.
Edited, Jul 24th 2008 11:56am by xNocturnalSunx
Yeah, I read about HealBot too, but some things I read led me to beleive Grid+Clique does the same thing only better. Any other opinions on this? I'll try out both this weekend when we get a chance to play our alts.
I really don't tend to have mana problems on trash, unless people start pulling aggro and I have to heal squishie people. Typically, when I start to run out of mana, I'll be starting to pull aggro anyway, so just stop healing unless someone's about to die and drop mana tide. My Pally will be using alot of mana at this point to get aggro back too, so this helps both of us.
So far the only instances we have run are Ramps and Blood Furnace though, and on some of the bosses I'm running out of mana just before the fight is over, though everyone is topped off and they don't have a problem finishing it. I'll still get enough mana back from Mana Spring for a couple clutch heals. Maybe just at the end of fights is where I'll get the most use out of the down ranked heals.
I really don't tend to have mana problems on trash, unless people start pulling aggro and I have to heal squishie people. Typically, when I start to run out of mana, I'll be starting to pull aggro anyway, so just stop healing unless someone's about to die and drop mana tide. My Pally will be using alot of mana at this point to get aggro back too, so this helps both of us.
So far the only instances we have run are Ramps and Blood Furnace though, and on some of the bosses I'm running out of mana just before the fight is over, though everyone is topped off and they don't have a problem finishing it. I'll still get enough mana back from Mana Spring for a couple clutch heals. Maybe just at the end of fights is where I'll get the most use out of the down ranked heals.
Just a little thought on my part.
You get Less healing per mana from LHW than you do from HW
When you downrank your healing spells you get a penalty on how much of your bonus healing actually applies.
A lot of healers when they reach level 70 use exclusively HW and chain heal do to the Heals per mana. (also the bonuses they can give their party members through resto talents connected to HW)
The way I have seen most shammies heal is to go ahead and cast your big max rank heal and if the tank doesn't need it yet, move a little to cancel it and start casting it again, that way you are always ready to land that big heal.
This will also give the pally tank a bigger boost overall than the spamming of lesser heals.
Of course if you are getting AOE damage to Melee then chain heal is the way to go.
I'm at work so I can't check the math but I believe your HW gets more of a bonus to it's heal than your LHW does so not only will you get a bigger heal per mana base, but also a bigger bonus as well.
If you start practicing the start/cancel method now you should have it down pretty well by 70 and will look the like the superstar I'm sure you are.
Oh and btw, I use X-perl and it will give you the ability to use clique well as in addition it colors the boxes depending on if they are cursed(purple), poisoned(green), being attacked (red). You also have the ability to make debuffs bigger than buffs so they stick out as soon as they are applied to a member of your party. Works great for larger raids too as it gives you a grid like box system for 10's and 25's. The last thing I'll say about it is that it's not only cool looking, but almost every single aspect can be changed and adjusted and moved anywhere on the screen. (size, color, appearance)
*end X-perl plug*
So anyway there ya have it. BTW, nice job on have 450 + heals at lvl 62 :-)
Galen
You get Less healing per mana from LHW than you do from HW
When you downrank your healing spells you get a penalty on how much of your bonus healing actually applies.
A lot of healers when they reach level 70 use exclusively HW and chain heal do to the Heals per mana. (also the bonuses they can give their party members through resto talents connected to HW)
The way I have seen most shammies heal is to go ahead and cast your big max rank heal and if the tank doesn't need it yet, move a little to cancel it and start casting it again, that way you are always ready to land that big heal.
This will also give the pally tank a bigger boost overall than the spamming of lesser heals.
Of course if you are getting AOE damage to Melee then chain heal is the way to go.
I'm at work so I can't check the math but I believe your HW gets more of a bonus to it's heal than your LHW does so not only will you get a bigger heal per mana base, but also a bigger bonus as well.
If you start practicing the start/cancel method now you should have it down pretty well by 70 and will look the like the superstar I'm sure you are.
Oh and btw, I use X-perl and it will give you the ability to use clique well as in addition it colors the boxes depending on if they are cursed(purple), poisoned(green), being attacked (red). You also have the ability to make debuffs bigger than buffs so they stick out as soon as they are applied to a member of your party. Works great for larger raids too as it gives you a grid like box system for 10's and 25's. The last thing I'll say about it is that it's not only cool looking, but almost every single aspect can be changed and adjusted and moved anywhere on the screen. (size, color, appearance)
*end X-perl plug*
So anyway there ya have it. BTW, nice job on have 450 + heals at lvl 62 :-)
Galen
You start noticing at 60 or so, and it just becomes more obvious as your gear gets better: LHW is mana inefficient. Source. For main tank healing, start switching to regular HW. It does have a longer cast time, but that's what makes it more efficient. Use LHW for spot healing (usually ranged DPS), emergancy healing (when time is short), and PvP.
Yes. You should be fine until at least level 70, but you're going to run into mana problems sooner or later. When you do, switch to downranked HW. I keep ranks 1 (to apply the healing way buff), 8, 10, and 12 bound. For difficult encounters, just keep pre-emptively casting HW and cancel it if it's not needed.
As for downranking LHW, I recommend against it. The reason downranking works so well is because of bonus +healing. LHW only gets 43% on your +healing while HW gets double that, meaning that downranking LHW becomes less useful as your gear gets better. As long as you don't use LHW as your main heal, you shouldn't need to downrank it. As an example: with +2000 healing (easier math), LHW rank 7 will give you a healing:mana ratio of 5.3. Downranking to rank 6 will only boost that ratio to 5.4 while giving you smaller healing throughput; it's not mathmatically worth it at that gear level.
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=8;mid=119428077921145385#m1194291037176372998
It's an old post, but the links in it should link to the updated mods.
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Would I be better off casting lower ranks of Healing Wave instead of Lesser Healing wave with talents like healing Way...?
Yes. You should be fine until at least level 70, but you're going to run into mana problems sooner or later. When you do, switch to downranked HW. I keep ranks 1 (to apply the healing way buff), 8, 10, and 12 bound. For difficult encounters, just keep pre-emptively casting HW and cancel it if it's not needed.
As for downranking LHW, I recommend against it. The reason downranking works so well is because of bonus +healing. LHW only gets 43% on your +healing while HW gets double that, meaning that downranking LHW becomes less useful as your gear gets better. As long as you don't use LHW as your main heal, you shouldn't need to downrank it. As an example: with +2000 healing (easier math), LHW rank 7 will give you a healing:mana ratio of 5.3. Downranking to rank 6 will only boost that ratio to 5.4 while giving you smaller healing throughput; it's not mathmatically worth it at that gear level.
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Also, what add-ons are good for healers to have beside clique?
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=8;mid=119428077921145385#m1194291037176372998
It's an old post, but the links in it should link to the updated mods.
Thanks for all the suggestions. Definately have to start trying the heal and cancel if not needed technique. Instead of moving jumping will work right? It'll be better for me to get used to that rather than moving so I don't cause wipes on Shade of Aran. Done that before on my warlock moving to banish/fear elementals lol.
I'll give X-Perl a look for replacing DuF, in addition to trying out HealBot and Grid, just so I can see what I like best.
Yeah, I got really lucky with some green drops in Reg Ramps the first couple times. Also, on my way to 58, if any quests rewards were Resto Gear, I took them, even though I was Enhance and there was something better for Enhance. Then at 58-60 in Hellfire Penn did the same thing.
As for what I will be casting, I think I'll leave Max Rank LHW on there for emergencies as suggested, and the suggested ranks of HW.
Again thanks for the great advice. If your ever leveling a 'lock and need advice drop me a line in the 'lock forums, I'm always there.
I'll give X-Perl a look for replacing DuF, in addition to trying out HealBot and Grid, just so I can see what I like best.
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So anyway there ya have it. BTW, nice job on have 450 + heals at lvl 62 :-)
Yeah, I got really lucky with some green drops in Reg Ramps the first couple times. Also, on my way to 58, if any quests rewards were Resto Gear, I took them, even though I was Enhance and there was something better for Enhance. Then at 58-60 in Hellfire Penn did the same thing.
As for what I will be casting, I think I'll leave Max Rank LHW on there for emergencies as suggested, and the suggested ranks of HW.
Again thanks for the great advice. If your ever leveling a 'lock and need advice drop me a line in the 'lock forums, I'm always there.
When leveling resto, I never down ranked heals, It was never a problem.
When I hit 70 and started getting epics is when I realized over heal was a problem, and I needed to worry about mana effiency. Recently I placed a HW rank 7 on my bar, and a lesser CH spell on my bars. I make it a point to only use the HW rank 7 unless im in a spot where a big heal is necessary.
You can do it earlier if you feel the need, but honestly I dont feel its 100% necessary until you hit 70.
Also, I use grid - I have the healing spells placed on my number key pad.
1 HW
2 LHW
3 CH
4 rank 7 HW
5 Natures Swiftness Macro
6 lesser rank CH
7, 8, and 9 I have poison, disease, and earth shock (strictly for the sake of when you need to stop a caster, and I switch it as necessary).
0 I have weapon attack
and the - button I have the pull totems button.
Since we only have 3 healing spells it seems to work well with me. :)
Edited, Jul 25th 2008 3:15pm by lauisifer
When I hit 70 and started getting epics is when I realized over heal was a problem, and I needed to worry about mana effiency. Recently I placed a HW rank 7 on my bar, and a lesser CH spell on my bars. I make it a point to only use the HW rank 7 unless im in a spot where a big heal is necessary.
You can do it earlier if you feel the need, but honestly I dont feel its 100% necessary until you hit 70.
Also, I use grid - I have the healing spells placed on my number key pad.
1 HW
2 LHW
3 CH
4 rank 7 HW
5 Natures Swiftness Macro
6 lesser rank CH
7, 8, and 9 I have poison, disease, and earth shock (strictly for the sake of when you need to stop a caster, and I switch it as necessary).
0 I have weapon attack
and the - button I have the pull totems button.
Since we only have 3 healing spells it seems to work well with me. :)
Edited, Jul 25th 2008 3:15pm by lauisifer
Well, I tried Grid, but it's a little confusing, and really seems like too much time for me to spend on an alt that may not even raid. Currently I use the Mazzle_UI, so I'm just gonna stick with that.
For my bars, I ended up leaving LHW on button 1, 3 ranks of HW on 2,3 and 4 with Chain Heal on 5. I started using the Start Casting and move if not needed technique and it works wonders. With using the downranked heals and that combined, I never have to drink unless it's a bad pull or after a boss fight.
Again, thanks for all the great advice, it really helped.
For my bars, I ended up leaving LHW on button 1, 3 ranks of HW on 2,3 and 4 with Chain Heal on 5. I started using the Start Casting and move if not needed technique and it works wonders. With using the downranked heals and that combined, I never have to drink unless it's a bad pull or after a boss fight.
Again, thanks for all the great advice, it really helped.
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I started using the Start Casting and move if not needed technique and it works wonders.
The ESC key works too, and optimally you could bind "/stopcasting" to a key. Just don't get into the habit of jumping to cancel since you can't cast again until you hit the ground.
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