So who is considering re-rolling for WotLK?Follow

At least one of the mages is gonna want Winter's Chill, IMO.

Nice to hear ^^, but after all, its still kind of unclear for me, if that talent will make fire better than frost for dps If you think about ffb and grasp effect. So even if deep fire won't after all consume that much mana, I'm still curious, if it will shine in comparison to frost. So my concern about getting 2 sucktrees and one that is for everything is still there. I mean rolling ignites with insane average critchance, while having 2 elementals and 2 times Icy veins sounds appealing to me.

Would be kinda ridiculous if 17/0/54 and 0/20/51 become the only viable speccs for mages ;). And of course what about fire PvP? I doubt you will always have a mana-battery partymember around, as well as lower regen on PvP gear of course, so the mana-consuming talent + the already draining mana-shield you have to use from time to time might litterally burn you out.

But I myself won't consider rerolling, I spend too much time to learn a decent playstyle and get gear, tactics and moving skills, to just swich to some EZ-mode cookie-cutter class, also I really like my mage and his image, and I would only like him to live up more to this image of an insane aoe caster with one of the highest damage outputs, that when played well can beat anyone :p

That is what I understand right now, that as long as it is not spell-centric as in frostbolt/fireball/scorch/fireblast it applies to it, whether or not it will be doing fire or frost damage. I need to read through the EJ thread, but it is well over 100 pages now...

Not really. The Frostfire setup is much more survivable than the fire build. Ice Barrier and cold snap(for dual ice barriers) alone makes up for the weak survivability that a raid fire build has.

well remmeber this build isn't for leveling, it would be a level 80 raiding build, not something you would be willing to even attempt to pvp with.

kk, only thing I'd worry about, if it really is that much dmg, is that it might get nurfed right away.

I really wonder if talents affect ffb the way people think it to be. Wouldn't that also make a stunning range for ffb with flamethrowing and arctic reach stacking?

Another thing: back to living bomb here again, is it likely, that the range will be 16 yards with flamethrowing, making it completely impossible for a rogue to get a sap on a mage using rank 1 living bomb?

I'm pretty sure it's working with both trees as it is now, though.

Fire spells can use shatter now. And the spell always applies a snare(if the mob is snareable), so I'm damn near certain it will proc frostbite.

and if you do get silenced -- go go arcane. and I mean that honestly, I've seen a pic of someone silenced, all fire and frost spells were on cooldown.

Very interesting build, couldn't find too much negative about it in all honesty. The reason that my builds don't work anymore is because they have entirely re-vamped the talent trees making my old ones out of date.

Well the 20% reduction will make the 'Cold Snap' talent have a 6 minute and 24 secs cooldown. Considering the amount of seconds average WoW bosses take (as far as my experience goes, MH/SSC/TK) it will be enough to get one more icy veins into the fight.

But even then I'm not sure if it's worth for every mage taking the 34/37 build, with the estimated number of crits we're theorycrafting here... 25% extra crit dmg bonus is awesome.

I can't see how u get the 'firestarter' tho? Thought u meant something like this?

Edited: math never was my thing...

Edited, Jul 29th 2008 9:12pm by gnetter

I like that build. I was debating putting poiints into arcane to get focus magic, but I don't know how effective it will be. The one thing I would change is possibly moving two points into improved frost nova intead of frostbite (assuming for boss fights) where the cooldown would be helpful as opposed to a chance on proc (for instance with the Illidan fight or so forth).

my first level 70 character is a mage, I started out fire and around 50 or so I respeced Arcane...was sick of getting ganked by horde and I wanted better chance to survive. I am currently an pom/pyroblast mage. I am honestly looking forward to the arcane tree when expansion comes out.

Tier 1 Arcane Focus and Improved magic missles
tier 2 Arcane concentration and magic absorption(40 resist at 80)
tier 3 Focus magic(more damage), Spell Impact(includes more spells not just arcane to crit more)
tier 4 arcane med and arcane shielding ( more mana and more survivability)
tier 5 POM and arcane mine
tier 6 arcane instability , arcane pot. (more to crits)
tier 7 arcane empowerment, arcane power, spell power (this tier increases crits by a bunch.
Tier 8 Mind mastery (more damage and crit) Arcane Flow (two min recast on PoM and Arcane Power) instead of using POM and Arcane power 3 times in 10 mins lets make it 5 times in 10 mins....that is a HUGE increase in damage
tier 9 Incanters Absorb (more raw damage)netherwind pres. (alittle haste)
tier 10 Missle Barrage (lets make these spells even faster , can you say even more damage?)
tier 11 (instant cast Arcane spell)

with a level 80 cap just getting the damage abilities it is 56 points spent in the arcane tree leaving 15 points left.

there are many things you can now do like 11 points in fire (pyroblast) 3 frost (elemental prec.) Doing this would add even more crit to damage. This leaves 1 point left and I do like (slow)

or you can fill out more of the arcane tree and pick some useful or useless stuff....the top build is just raw and pure damage. I think people should stop jumping off the mage band wagon cause by the look of things we are getting a huge damage boost in Arcane

Looking into Fire it looks rather good as well alot of chances to make fire spells faster and crit more also. Burnout, Hotsteak,Empowered Fireball,Firepower to name a few. I think Mages will be rather surprised. Ice gives more things also...the end talents may be so so...but honestly look at what a mage is getting below those talents.