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I just wondered, is it really slow to level a paladin? I mean, no matter what I'm going with a paladin. I was just wondering if anyone had tips to level around the lower levels. I am at level 8 so I dont have many abilities yet, but if anyone has leveling tips, I would really appreciate it, thanks.
Spec retribution, don't spec into Imp. Blessing of Might. If you haven't yet, check out the FAQ, there is some quick leveling tips in there.
BoM > BoW at lower levels. imp BoM > Benediction at lower levels. your spirit regens ALL your mana on the way the to the next kill w/o drinking at lower levels. get imp BoM.
Depends on how you play, I tend to need BoW by at least level 30 to keep my mana up so that I don't have downtime. And I don't advise speccing for 10 levels worth of content, you might take a bit of a hit for 10 levels, but then it will be better later.
The dps increase from 5 points in imp BoM is completely negligible. Compare it to 5 points better spent elsewhere, and it looks even less attractive.
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The dps increase from 5 points in imp BoM is completely negligible. Compare it to 5 points better spent elsewhere, and it looks even less attractive.
where? 5/5 benediction to save you 10 mana per mob? after lvl 20 you get a heavy 2 hander and Seal of Command. with those you can seal up before the fight and regen that lost mana before you even begin. if you are judgement-happy then you are wasting your own time. stick to autoattack + SoC with JoC on a stun for efficiency. you will become mana conscience around lvl 40, then you switch to Blessing of Wisdom. for a few gold you can respec and grab Benediction for a minor bump in your mana play.
To the OP:
1) Spec Ret
2) Get gear with +str (to kill faster)
3) Quest efficiently
Paladins can level quite quickly. Go have fun killing things.
1) Spec Ret
2) Get gear with +str (to kill faster)
3) Quest efficiently
Paladins can level quite quickly. Go have fun killing things.
Quite honestly, I am leveling a second Paladin as Ret, and I haven't used BoMight much at all since getting BoWisdom. I just run out of mana too fast, even without Judgeing every cooldown. I am even leveling alongside an Enhancement Shaman who is usually the one who does the healing as I am better equipped at keeping the mob's attention.
imo taking Benediction and using Wisdom allows you to Judge more often making up for any lack of DPS provided by BoMight, and allowing less downtime. Not to mention that the increase to Imp BoMight is not nearly as noticeable as it is with the higher ranks. If I did my math right, you don't get any increase at all at level 10 when you first get the talent, or if you do it's only 1 point. When you get rank 2 BoMight (rank 3 of the talent) that's a 12% increase to the AP granted which amounts to an additional 4 AP (level 12). Not exactly what I'd call stellar.
Simply put: we've been in too many fights (my leveling partner and I) where the mana gained/saved due to BoWisdom (on both of us) and Benediction has far outweighed any DPS BoMight would have given us.
Edited, Jul 23rd 2008 2:02pm by Maulgak
imo taking Benediction and using Wisdom allows you to Judge more often making up for any lack of DPS provided by BoMight, and allowing less downtime. Not to mention that the increase to Imp BoMight is not nearly as noticeable as it is with the higher ranks. If I did my math right, you don't get any increase at all at level 10 when you first get the talent, or if you do it's only 1 point. When you get rank 2 BoMight (rank 3 of the talent) that's a 12% increase to the AP granted which amounts to an additional 4 AP (level 12). Not exactly what I'd call stellar.
Simply put: we've been in too many fights (my leveling partner and I) where the mana gained/saved due to BoWisdom (on both of us) and Benediction has far outweighed any DPS BoMight would have given us.
Edited, Jul 23rd 2008 2:02pm by Maulgak
i dont know what you're spamming to worry about mana between lvls 20-40? its not like you have alot of offensives at those levels. if you are spam healing then BoW is the way to go, but then again Benediction != heals. when you get to lvl 40+ and pick up Crusader Strike and mix in some Repentence then BoW is a must, but then again Benediction != CS. pretty much Benediction is for when you are spamming judgements like in Battlegrounds or Raids. while soloing prior to lvl 40 Benediction is of little to no value. if you are spamming judgement while soloing, chances are you will sit to drink anyway.
also if you are new to the game and spamming judgements, chances are you are generating less overall dmg and wasting your mana and causing more downtime.
also if you are new to the game and spamming judgements, chances are you are generating less overall dmg and wasting your mana and causing more downtime.
I'm curious, as I have just started a paladin(level 17 and climbing fast), but how would spamming judgements cause you to do less overall damage?
You can nuke a single enemy very quickly by hitting judgement of whatever (probably command) every time it's up, it technically doesn't make you do less damage; far from it. But you'll run out of mana very quickly like this (until you get the talent that makes judgements return mana anyway) and be forced to drink a lot more between fights increasing overall downtime. There's a balance (which shifts around a lot due to constantly getting more mana vs higher ranked and more mana thirsty spells) between killing an enemy quickly and conserving mana for multiple fights in a row.
@ tommyguns: I agree with pretty much everything you say regarding mana efficiency while leveling, it's just the damage increase from imp BoM seemed barely noticable (which prompted me to respec slightly around lv 29). Even at lv 70 it only adds ~6dps.
Maybe it's because i followed a leveling guide which put me against mobs 1-3 levels below me, but i pretty much spammed judgements on targets and they died before i got spend much mana. So i never noticed consistant downtime. Also, because the mobs were weaker than me, i almost never had to use healing spells. That'll drain mana very quickly, because you'll probably also be hitting Repentence/HoJ to get the heal off cleanly.
Edited, Jul 24th 2008 6:54am by ArtemisEnteri
@ tommyguns: I agree with pretty much everything you say regarding mana efficiency while leveling, it's just the damage increase from imp BoM seemed barely noticable (which prompted me to respec slightly around lv 29). Even at lv 70 it only adds ~6dps.
Maybe it's because i followed a leveling guide which put me against mobs 1-3 levels below me, but i pretty much spammed judgements on targets and they died before i got spend much mana. So i never noticed consistant downtime. Also, because the mobs were weaker than me, i almost never had to use healing spells. That'll drain mana very quickly, because you'll probably also be hitting Repentence/HoJ to get the heal off cleanly.
Edited, Jul 24th 2008 6:54am by ArtemisEnteri
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I'm curious, as I have just started a paladin(level 17 and climbing fast), but how would spamming judgements cause you to do less overall damage?
if you are not familiar with the autoattack timer and the global cooldown timer, often you will blow a judgement and be 'unsealed' for a round of attacks. this isn't major when you use SoRighteousness, but when you get the talent SoCommand over-judging just gets wasteful. it also sucks when you conveniently get silenced or stunned right after a judgement, your 1st hit comming off the stun will be all white dmg and you will have to wait another autoattack cycle to get your next SoC proc.
this also goes for tanking. i see alot of tankadins(and warrior's with guns) pull a sheep'd target using JoR at max range, instead of walking to the sheep and getting the 1st sealed hit and then judging in melee range. when you judge pull a CC'd mob, keep in mind that while that target is walking toward you, your party members are powering up their next fireball.
tommyguns wrote:
i dont know what you're spamming to worry about mana between lvls 20-40? its not like you have alot of offensives at those levels. if you are spam healing then BoW is the way to go, but then again Benediction != heals. when you get to lvl 40+ and pick up Crusader Strike and mix in some Repentence then BoW is a must, but then again Benediction != CS. pretty much Benediction is for when you are spamming judgements like in Battlegrounds or Raids. while soloing prior to lvl 40 Benediction is of little to no value. if you are spamming judgement while soloing, chances are you will sit to drink anyway.
also if you are new to the game and spamming judgements, chances are you are generating less overall dmg and wasting your mana and causing more downtime.
also if you are new to the game and spamming judgements, chances are you are generating less overall dmg and wasting your mana and causing more downtime.
You totally missed it. No, Benediction =/= heals, but if you're not using BoM then Imp BoM is a waste of 5 talents. Why spend 5 points in something you are not using? So, if you dont' put them in Imp BoM, where do you put them? Benediction.
Also we have been taking on a lot of quests that are higher level with mobs that are higher level, and you know as well as I how easy it is to get additional mobs when you are lower level then the mobs around you. As I stated, my Shaman partner winds up healing cause I get the mobs attention. Know what that means? Consecration! ie: mana hog. Between us throwing heals and me Consecrating, BoW FAR outweighs BoM.
So again: I don't use BoM, Imp BoM is a worthless talent, I took Benediction. Simple as that.
Edited, Jul 25th 2008 12:57am by Maulgak
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