Quick arena gear questionFollow

I believe you want to pump STA until you get about 10k HP, then resil is more important.

I'd take the offensive oriented shoulders until you get to the 78-79 yellow hit cap.

Please read my PvP FAQ.

You're a moron for having 65 hit.

FAQ say about hit rating though and if you would understand what you read in PVP FAQ you would know what item to choose. Just try to understand what you read, its not that hard you know?

Stop making a total fool of yourself. You don't need to be in full S4 to reach the hit cap. I've geared the hard (and slow) way and still always observed this easy rule. There are + hits on badge items and other pve items. You can gem with + 10 hit in all yellow sockets. There is NO excuse for not having at least 79 hit.

You're looking for answers, which is good. But stop insulting those who point the way to go or you won't be welcome here for very long.

nostra

Edited, Jul 24th 2008 2:43pm by nostraaa

Its pathetically easy to get 79 hit rating with quest items/instance drops.

I had over 100 the moment I dinged 70.

Oh, and btw...there are these really neat things called gems...they give you extra stats. One of which is hit +8, +10 hit in any given socket. So...why don't you have 79 hit?

OK - looking at your armory got a few ideas:

1. New trinkets. Like yesterday. It looks like you do plenty of pvp with your other guardians gear, so pick up at least the 20 resil medallion.
2. +stam EC's. You've got over 10k health, not needed. +6 stats to chest and get surefooted on your boots (after you get new ones, of course) and pickup another 10 hit.
3. Dory's embrace. 65 badges (or something close) unless you don't pve, then NVM.
4. It looks like you'll be replacing your chest soon (you should be), so don't worry about the shi**y gems in there.

I thought you were talking about me for a sec....glad that's not the case. I was just giving some friendly pointers :)

Yeah bro, I don't say anything about AP in my PvP FAQ.


That's taken directly from the thread, with this following it:


So no, you didn't read my PvP FAQ.


No, crit doesn't allow you to sacrifice 1% hit. Ever. If you roll a miss, you roll a miss and your attack doesn't land. Stacking crit doesn't push misses off the attack table.

Yes, I totally ebayed my rogue and then I'm in the top 1000 2v2 teams in my BG and the top 100 teams in 5v5. I totally ebayed my character not knowing how to play, then wrote a whole PvP FAQ which pretty much every rogue that uses this forum reads.

You're a moron; you have no idea how to gem and gear. You could have read my PvP FAQ and have all the answers you'd need, but you chose to make a thread advertising how @#%^ing retarded you are.

Get the @#%^ off these forums before your stupidity spreads.

Edited, Jul 24th 2008 4:08pm by Theophany

I'm just glad Theo finally has an avatar that I can figure out what it is.

So, GodofMoo, you claim you would sacrifice 20ap for 1hit if you are under 78-79? That proves your brain is decaying.
At least TRY to think: hit rating loses, let's say half of it's importance after 79 so the new sacrifice for hit would be 50ap for 5hit. Now why in the world would Theo put 20ap gems in the red sockets when he could put 5hit/5agi which would be UBER AWESOME? So you got owned here and can't say I am wrong. (that is, of course if you want to contradict theo's gemming section of the FAQ)
Also, I DID check your armory and that's what was listed - no mongoose on offhand.

I posted my armory because people asked, not to hear your noob comments.

Now for Theo:

-You didn't say I NEED 79hit in order to PvP, because actually, I DON'T. You only specified that 79 is the hit cap on special attacks. If you wonder why I have ap/crit epix gems instead of hit thou my cap hasn't been reached yet, it's because I am not gonna spend 350g for a +10hit gem that I am gonna replace in less than a month. I don't spend my life doing dailys and farming primals, I hardly play this char 2hours per day (in which I do the daily PvP and heroic).

-About the AP: MY question was not if AP is usefull, cause damn right it is! I was asking HOW USEFULL. For what number of stamina would you trade one AP, for how much resilience would you trade an AP? Now THAT's what I asked and THAT's what you didn't answer. I am aware numbers differ, as it is good to be well-rounded but I only wanted a slight idea.

-now the 1%hit vs. 1%crit: We'll have to look at 3 kind of attacks, and yes I was a little wrong: the hit is a BIT better (like 40% better). I will consider targets with 350 resilience, which is about -19% crit demage, I think and 5/5 lethality.
1.Special attacks that can crit: 230% x 81% = 186.30% demage. So hitting twice is better than criting once and missing once => hit's better here (of course it would suck more in PvE since no resil).
2.Normal attacks: Against no resil, they are 100% equal. Against resil hit wins again.
3.Special attacks who can't crit: Hit is the obvious winner here.

Ok, I proved you're wrong and you only PRETEND to answer questions (2/3 of the cases). Have anything to say about it?

If you looked at my armory and I'm using the BT maces then yes, I don't have mongoose one them...because they are for PvP and I don't seriously PvP. I have mongoose on both my PvE weapons, the badge fists though.

Onto the important part.



Yes, because like Theo said missing a KS or Blind means you just lost your game. If you're going to insult me at least give a valid reason for it.



As for this utter load of crap(see I can insult people too), why are you even referencing Hit after 79? The entire point is that you're under cap, and thus until you are over the cap the hit rating is more important.

And where the @#%^ did you pull 50AP vs 5 Hit out of? Your ***? After the hit cap I would take AP over Hit. You are not over the hit cap. Thus hit is more important.

Why would Theo ever put 20AP gems in his gear...hm...wait, wait, I know this...because he's over the hit cap.

Please learn to @#%^ing read, I said



And as for noob comments about your gear...you put your armory up and its game for being criticized.



You want to be good at PvP...and not put any effort in? Oh hay, if you're that lazy why don't you go buy gold, at least than you would be better at PvP with the right gems and enchants.

And the dailies take around an hour, max.

EDIT: Spelling

Edited, Jul 25th 2008 9:34am by GodOfMoo

Here we go again, explaining the same things over again to people who just don't understand and are too lazy to give arguments about why they are right and I am wrong.


Well having crappy AP or Crit will cost you games too. That's why I traded my hit for a lot of AP and crit and I am still happy with my decision.


If you don't know an answer, don't bother to try looking smart. Indeed, for PvE it's easy to think at demage but if you would be PvP and you would have to chose between 40stamina or 20ap, what would you chose? What about 40apvs40stamina? Well those numbers are what I am interested about. I think I made myself pretty clear from my first posts, although. Don't answer if you don't have an opinion.


Nope, nothing can be infinitely better than something else. If you read my post before you would see actual calculations. If you think I am wrong about it, give a reason. (blahblah KS and Blind are not the only abilities out there. I would honestly prefer to crit with all my attacks and always miss with those 2)

Godofmoo lacks neurons or eyes so he shouldn't post here, but I am gonna reply a bit too him too anyway.
So back to explaining why 20ap is better than 1hit even under 79hit (Theo should agree here, he seems smarter).
I cam to 5hit>50ap after stating that after the hit cap, hit loses half of it's importance (only comes into play for normal atacks, but bleah who reads, right?). I'll try eplaining diferently now: Think at 2 rogues: on with 79hit rating and 2000ap and another with 0hit rating and 3580ap.
1.Now, the Ap rogue's normal attacks will hit kinda 30%harder, while the n00bs ho trades 20ap for 1hit will hit 6-7%more often. So the white demage of the Ap rogue is higher by at least 21%.
2.Now hemos and other specials: even better than 24% since they will hit for 5% more often.
3.On non-demaging atacks, the Ap rogue loses, of course but only by 5%.
Now try thinking: what do you chose? 23% more demage or being sure you hit with some little CCs?
If there is something wrong with my calculations, go ahead and reply. But you obviosly fail thinking.


And now for Enthalpy:
I know I was wrong about hit-crit if under the hit cap. I specified in a previous post when I said hit is about 40% better ^^. But you should look the other way too: A miss might ruin my plans, but a flurry of crits will ruin the opponent's plan!