Theo's Death Knight Beta thread.Follow

So if they're the easiest class to kite, why again is escape artist not good?

Make sense, damn it! :P

So Theo, do you think the DK will be viable in pvp and pve? Or should one not bother?

You know what other class do great burst damage?

Dagger Rogue.

Yeah...

By the sounds of it, Theo is mentally comparing DKs (inevitably) from a Rogue's perspective, and thus to their arch-nemesis, Warriors. Hamstring is good, yes, and it's really annoying for Rogues, but that doesnt mean any class without it cannot close down a Rogue.

If Diseases are cleansable by CloS fair enough, I never had to find that out before, but it makes little difference; as you say, you'll have to use CloS to escape Snares. You're correct in that Chains of Ice would then be unavailable for a CC but since it's dispellable I don't see it being a totally reliable CC anyway. If we're talking 1v1, I don't think Rogues will have a terribly easy time of it with DKs, particularly with ranged damage ticking away faster than the Rogue can cause it in return.

As always, the tactic will work against noob DKs, but will fail against anyone who knows they're not just a Warrior with pretty spellz.

Now I know that theo has professed to not being big on tanking but was wondering if anyone who has a lot of knowledge about the lovely DK could pull up a good premlimnary tank spec, since I do love being a tank. Haven't really spent a lot of time looking at the death knight specs, but do love the idea of rolling a death knight as soon as the expansion comes out.

Also love that sweet mount, has anyone gotten the epic mount yet? And just to make sure I've got things right, with each quest you complete as a DK you also get talent points, along with each time you level so that you don't miss the talent points you would usually get leveling from 1-80?

not by any class that is gonna kite, mages have frost nova, hefty cooldown + DR , hunters have concusive shots, again cooldown. Rogues, and Warriors may have crippling poison and hamstring but theyre not gonna kite are they? theyre a melee class. Warlocks, I cant think what snares do they have? Druids may be the only questionable one as i dont know the mechanics of entangling roots.

Hold the phones. You have spent the better part of the last six months on the Shaman forums telling us how great Enhancement Shaman are when they're suffering from the exact same problems you are describing the Death Knights as having. So why are you expecting Death Knights to struggle when Shaman are so fantastic right now?

I guess your perspective changes a little when you're actually invested in the class, hmm?

Shamans have and applied--6 second cooldown--snare, on top of a totem that applies a snare.

On top of that, enhancement shamans have purge. DKs have nothing of the sort, nor buffs or other useful totems for their teams.

Ever tried to BoP a target that has an enhancement shaman on them? Yeah, the BoP might be up for 2 secs if the shaman is a moron.

It's completely different mechanics in arena between the two classes, and if you don't understand that, you're an idiot.

Let's make it clear that when you flame me, you:

1) Have never posted a main's armory.
2) Have never justified your reasoning with anything but theorycraft. I have seen enhancement in arena at 1900+ and played against duelist and gladiator-rated players playing as enhancement.
3) Have never justified any of your comments about high end arena with an armory of any of your characters that are rated arena players.

Until you do, you continue to talk out of your *** when shamans clearly have places on high-rated teams. Hell, they're even used in the MLG and WSVG! Enhancement, at that!

You have zero room to flame me about anything I say about arena. There are a select few who I will accept opinions from on PvP in any form in this community, and one of them is certainly not you, nor is Gaudion one of them.

You both have proved that you're whiners over and over and over again in the shaman forums, and again you bring theorycraft and whining to threads where I have posted my opinion having actual experience with a class that you do not have.

If it were possible, I'd put you both on ignore, but alas that it's not so. I'll have to settle for trying to make you both leave these forums; everyone would be a hell of a lot better off without both of you ladies on them.

Let's be very clear about something, Theo. Sinstralis and I don't ever expect you to accept our opinions. I'm just getting a kick out of derailing one of your threads the way you've done countless times on the Shaman forum.


Nothing about that makes sense. For one, I've never known you to be an out-and-out liar, but it's been well established that you have zero experience with an Enhancement Shaman, so... no. Two, everything you bring to the Shaman forums is theorycrafting and opinion, so... again, no.


The feeling is mutual. But I tell you what... since I am a reasonable human being that believes in co-existence, I will make you an honest-to-goodness deal right here and now, Theo. You stay off the Shaman forums and I will stay off the Death Knigth forums. Of course, if you mean Allakhazam in general... well... tough luck.

I don't want to mix in this, just one reaction;



Sure, but not by judging people's posts on forums. Like another specific poster here who'se name I shall not name he has misjudged me for being a noob just because of some of my posts. Heck, one can play specless, weaponless and naked and still be a pro. You simply can't tell until you've actually seen a person play. Everybody has different experiences playing the game and while not all of us are playing "community wide accepted" specs (or wielding weapons of that liking for all I care) it doesn't neccessarily mean we are noobs.

I get that impression too... the main problem is running out of Frost Runes to apply your Crowd Control. At the minute you often find yourself a Rune short when the Mage starts casting, either from Blood Striking (no Strangulate) or Icy Touch (no Mind Freeze). I'm hoping and praying they implement the 'extra Rune' talent mechanic for each tree, that really would solve this problem. Blood of the North is clearly an attempt to do so by allowing you to convert Blood Runes into (effectively) Frost Runes via a core ability, but 5 talents for the privilege is harsh. If the Rune resource system can be balanced to allow DKs to actually use all their wonderful abilities (a stated dev target on the beta forums btw) then controlling a DK will be far from easy, at least not without being controlled right back.



Sigh... Theo I am not 'flaming' you, kindly untwist your panties.

My point is simply that nobody has played a DK in Arena yet, including both of us, and you have confessed many times to having minimal experience with Enhance Shamans beyond watching their buffs stack up on your Rogue's bar. Therefore, commenting on their comparative Arena performance in a matter-of-fact tone is a bit speculative for either of us. Hell, last push they just totally changed the Frost tree and DnD, the DK mechanics are in a state of extreme flux.


Please, please stop dragging every other argument back to Enhance Shamans. It's happened so often I'm sick of hearing about it. If you're using this example you've clearly misunderstood every argument I've made on the subject, so lets not re-iterate it in the wrong place.


Actually Im playing a DK in beta too. Now I suppose you will demand my beta key stapled to my Armory page with a copy of today's newspaper and my dental records before you'll (allegedly) believe anything I say, ho hum.


The fact that you even think in these terms says it all.