So after a two year hiatus I decided to get back into WoW... but due to the recent news about the Death Knight and me being a WoW lore freak I'm getting a little worried.
I know its an MMORPG so they tend to be more flexible with lore in order to make gameplay changes they feel are necessary... but I find the idea of a Gnome Death Knight ridiculous.
Here are the races that would make most sense to me and the reason behind them ---
ALLIANCE:
Human - Obviously the whole "lost touch with the light" bit that ages back wo WIII.
Dwarf - same deal as humans (I know there are no Dwarf Pallys in WIII, but it makes sense)
Draenei - They have been pallys, they hae been affeted by the plague over time... makes sense.
HORDE:
Undead - Share all classes with humans xcept pally because they lost touch with the light and EPIPHANY! thats all you really need to be a DK.
Orc - Old Death knights... plausible.
Blood Elf - They've been pallys and fighting the scourge for a while...surely affected.
Does anyone agree with me that there should be no Night Elf/Gnome/Tauren/Troll Death Knights or have the discrepancies in lore already broken you?
Other factors affecting my opinion: 3 DKs in Alliance, 3 DKs in Horde. Humans and Orcs are the central races in Alli and Hord. Balance would be mantained...
Here'smy problem - until I can get a computer (which I will need for college, so for sure) I can't start a thread in the offical WoW forums for blues to read... and by the time I do get back in it will be to late for this feedback...
I really don't know if anyone else pointed this out... so if anyone would take it to the official forums? Please? No props needed or anything... just copy and edit.
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DKs are not all fallen Paladins.
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Any race can pledge their loyalty to the Death Knight.
All races, unless the Lich King is racist, make sense.
EDIT: and why did you make 2 posts with basically this exact topic? >.<
Edited, Jul 21st 2008 9:27pm by Maulgak
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consist mainly of paladins who lost their faith and pledged their souls to the Lich King in exchange for the promise of immortality
Any race can pledge their loyalty to the Death Knight.
All races, unless the Lich King is racist, make sense.
EDIT: and why did you make 2 posts with basically this exact topic? >.<
Edited, Jul 21st 2008 9:27pm by Maulgak
Veverzhus wrote:
Here'smy problem - until I can get a computer (which I will need for college, so for sure) I can't start a thread in the offical WoW forums for blues to read... and by the time I do get back in it will be to late for this feedback...
I really don't know if anyone else pointed this out... so if anyone would take it to the official forums? Please? No props needed or anything... just copy and edit.
It's already too late for Feedback. They've stated that all races will be, complete with voice modifiers and a 'darker' racial appearance. And it makes sense, other races have died fighting the scourge.
Veverzhus wrote:
Does anyone agree with me that there should be no Night Elf/Gnome/Tauren/Troll Death Knights or have the discrepancies in lore already broken you?
No. Tough cookies. Live with it.
#5REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 22 2008 at 8:08 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Any race can pledge their faith to the Lich King... but only Paladins become Death Knights. Just as only Mages and Warlocks become Necromancers and Liches. I'd be like me getting a degree in Art History and getting a job as a surgeon. And the Lich King is totally racist and thats why he wants to terminate all life on Azeroth.
Veverzhus wrote:
And the Lich King is totally racist and thats why he wants to terminate all life on Azeroth.
To quote one of my classmates, "I'm not racist, I hate everyone equally!"
Serious note though, that makes it sound like the Lich King wouldn't use ANY of the mortal races, but only raise up the dead to become his servants, which given that Arthas never died, is folly to think like that.
Veverzhus wrote:
Any race can pledge their faith to the Lich King... but only Paladins become Death Knights. Just as only Mages and Warlocks become Necromancers and Liches. I'd be like me getting a degree in Art History and getting a job as a surgeon.
I think you missed this part:
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consist mainly of paladins
Let me type it again: mainly of Paladins. Again, Death Knights are NOT fallen Paladins, not all of them. That's been stated over and over, but people still keep saying it. It is NOT true. Just because Arthas was a Paladin and became the Lich King's first Death Knight does not mean that you have to be a Paladin to become a Death Knight.
Look at the first Death Knights: they were orcs fused with the bodies of dead humans. Tell me, how does that fit in with the "must be a Paladin to become a Death Knight" thing?
Some races will look ridiculous as DK's (Gnomes). Then again, some classes already look ridiculous with some races (Gnome warriors?). Either way, it's not like you see those class combinations a lot. How many Gnome warriors have you seen? In 3 years I think it's about 30-40 for me.
Listen OP, you seem like a thickheaded and stubborn person who wishes to force his views on others.
You obviously are trying to make the lore to your liking and convince others that's how it is going to be.
When the expansion comes out, just play a Death Knight how you want to play it.
You feel you have to be Human/Dwarf/Draenei Death Knight? Fine, go choose one of those races and make a Death Knight.
That way we would all be happy.
You obviously are trying to make the lore to your liking and convince others that's how it is going to be.
When the expansion comes out, just play a Death Knight how you want to play it.
You feel you have to be Human/Dwarf/Draenei Death Knight? Fine, go choose one of those races and make a Death Knight.
That way we would all be happy.
Gah,
Once again this silly Paladin issue raises its head...
I do truly believe it is symptomatic of the sustained fappability of the Holy-Warrior-Gone-Bad genus of RP characters; the ability to say "Well I was a nice guy but then external factors turned me evil so now I can be both". If I were a sociologist of internet culture I might have more to say on that subject, but fortunately I am not.
Seriously, if Arthas rolled Warrior instead of Paladin when he was five or whatever, we wouldnt be having this discussion.
Death Knights to be honest I think ought to be restricted to a few races for the same reason Blood Elves cant be Warriors, but Blizzard disagree so there we go.
To the OP, please put away your AD&D World of Warcraft rulebook. While I agree that both Gnome and Tauren DK are a ridiculous concept (Tauren barely encountered the Scourge after all, they lived their entire existence on a different continent) its clear from Blizzards repeated promises that they arent going to turn the ship around on this issue.
Live with it, and just mercilessly slaughter all Gnome DKs you find.
Once again this silly Paladin issue raises its head...
I do truly believe it is symptomatic of the sustained fappability of the Holy-Warrior-Gone-Bad genus of RP characters; the ability to say "Well I was a nice guy but then external factors turned me evil so now I can be both". If I were a sociologist of internet culture I might have more to say on that subject, but fortunately I am not.
Seriously, if Arthas rolled Warrior instead of Paladin when he was five or whatever, we wouldnt be having this discussion.
Death Knights to be honest I think ought to be restricted to a few races for the same reason Blood Elves cant be Warriors, but Blizzard disagree so there we go.
To the OP, please put away your AD&D World of Warcraft rulebook. While I agree that both Gnome and Tauren DK are a ridiculous concept (Tauren barely encountered the Scourge after all, they lived their entire existence on a different continent) its clear from Blizzards repeated promises that they arent going to turn the ship around on this issue.
Live with it, and just mercilessly slaughter all Gnome DKs you find.
Sinstralis wrote:
I agree that both Gnome and Tauren DK are a ridiculous concept (Tauren barely encountered the Scourge after all, they lived their entire existence on a different continent)
Though they have fought the scourge in the plaguelands and during the Scourge Invasion.
Micros wrote:
Sinstralis wrote:
I agree that both Gnome and Tauren DK are a ridiculous concept (Tauren barely encountered the Scourge after all, they lived their entire existence on a different continent)
Though they have fought the scourge in the plaguelands and during the Scourge Invasion.
Obviously Tauren are too good be death knights.
Gnome warriors are ridiculous? Are you stupid?
Bees have guards and soldiers. Yet due to a gnome's size you think they can't be a warrior? You're stupid as hell.
Ever seen Willow? Yeah they're small but have warriors. Even those 2-3 inch guys had warriors, stupid *** peck.
Warriors are all about physical strenght, the main thing Gnomes lack. It's just like Hobbit Guardians if anybody ever tried LOTRO here. Heck, how much of an impact would a tiny man with a squeezy voice, a sword three times his size and a shield make on you? The thing is, 50% of the mobs in the game are so much larger they would simply kick the Gnome away, shield and sword included. Most Gnome warriors I've seen look like walking helmets.
If any a Gnome warrior should majorly rely on dodge and quickness. Hey look, it's a rogue.
If any a Gnome warrior should majorly rely on dodge and quickness. Hey look, it's a rogue.
Mozared wrote:
Warriors are all about physical strenght, the main thing Gnomes lack. It's just like Hobbit Guardians if anybody ever tried LOTRO here. Heck, how much of an impact would a tiny man with a squeezy voice, a sword three times his size and a shield make on you? The thing is, 50% of the mobs in the game are so much larger they would simply kick the Gnome away, shield and sword included. Most Gnome warriors I've seen look like walking helmets.
If any a Gnome warrior should majorly rely on dodge and quickness. Hey look, it's a rogue.
If any a Gnome warrior should majorly rely on dodge and quickness. Hey look, it's a rogue.
Is this ANY different at all then a Tauren going up against Onyxia? Wouldn't a friggin huge *** dragon just flick the tiny Tauren into a wall and call it a day? Or burn everyone to a crisp before they could get close enough to so much as peel a scale off her belly?
I rest the Gnome case =P
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Micros wrote:
Though they have fought the scourge in the plaguelands and during the Scourge Invasion.
QFT: just because certain races didn't fight the Scourge during the events of WC3 doesn't mean they have had 0 contact with the Scourge in the years following. Remember, it was 4 years between the end of WC3: TFT and where WoW takes off, and how many more years since then? Plus as mentioned The Scourge Invasion which wasn't just over Stormwind and Orgrimmar, but everywhere. Plenty of Tauren, Gnomes, etc.. could have been taken at that time.
Edited, Jul 23rd 2008 2:24pm by Maulgak
I don't know if it's been said, but the ORIGINAL Death Knights were simply the souls of Gul'Dan's Shadowmoon Warlocks placed into a dead Human soldiers body. Thus it stands to reason that, for example, some loon could have put an Undead Warlocks soul into a Troll Warriors body. I know that isn't the case, but it could happen.
I did mention that yes, but thanks for the reinforcement :) I also like your sig Syladia, made me smile.
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Is this ANY different at all then a Tauren going up against Onyxia?
Well the thing is, some mobs are so incredibly large they technically don't work against any race at all. I reckon that's done more for raid purposes than realism. An avarage 'large sized mob' would be an Ogre. Imagine a Tauren vs an Ogre and a Gnome vs an Ogre.
As I see it,
Avarage mobs = avarage size
Humans/Orcs etc = avarage size
Taurens = bit larger than avarage size
Raid bosses = incredibly huge
Gnomes = incredibly small
Veverzhus wrote:
I don't know why I made two threads...
You did it for us. Twice as many posts = twice as many sub-defaults.
Mozared wrote:
Warriors are all about physical strenght, the main thing Gnomes lack. It's just like Hobbit Guardians if anybody ever tried LOTRO here. Heck, how much of an impact would a tiny man with a squeezy voice, a sword three times his size and a shield make on you? The thing is, 50% of the mobs in the game are so much larger they would simply kick the Gnome away, shield and sword included. Most Gnome warriors I've seen look like walking helmets.
If any a Gnome warrior should majorly rely on dodge and quickness. Hey look, it's a rogue.
If any a Gnome warrior should majorly rely on dodge and quickness. Hey look, it's a rogue.
So fighting strongly for their city has not physically toughened them at all? You confusing size with strength. Although the two usually coincide that's not always the case. Show me where it says that gnomes lack physical strength.
I've seen Gnome Warriors beat Tauren Warriors. Size doesn't mean strength.
MentalFrog wrote:
Mozared wrote:
Warriors are all about physical strenght, the main thing Gnomes lack. It's just like Hobbit Guardians if anybody ever tried LOTRO here. Heck, how much of an impact would a tiny man with a squeezy voice, a sword three times his size and a shield make on you? The thing is, 50% of the mobs in the game are so much larger they would simply kick the Gnome away, shield and sword included. Most Gnome warriors I've seen look like walking helmets.
If any a Gnome warrior should majorly rely on dodge and quickness. Hey look, it's a rogue.
If any a Gnome warrior should majorly rely on dodge and quickness. Hey look, it's a rogue.
So fighting strongly for their city has not physically toughened them at all? You confusing size with strength. Although the two usually coincide that's not always the case. Show me where it says that gnomes lack physical strength.
Ok i agree Fully with MentalFrog here. When WotLK comes out (or I get beta opt-in) I plan to roll Gnome... Why you ask... Because I find it utterly ammusing watching a 3 foot high Hobit-esque person bring down Ogres, Dragons, and best of all Taurens. Oh and for your LotR Lore there were hobbits that fought... One of Pippen's (possibly Merry's but I'm preaty sure it was Pippen's) ancestors was a famous warrior Hobbit. If I could find my Return of the King book I would be able to tell you wich war he fought in and his name (wich is something along the lines of Bullroar).
Also i plan to make my DK have pink hair with like a mohawk or that odd male doo wich its spiked up like crazy on the front... Just to make people like you angry... And to laugh as one of my guildies relentlessly hunts me down for having a pink haired Gnome.
#21REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 24 2008 at 7:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It says that if you simply look at the model. The thing is, if there's 2 beings, a large and a small one, with the same relative strength, the larger one will always be stronger. Ants are technically stronger than humans since they can carry... whatsit? 10 times their own weight? Regardless, I still have to find an ant that I can't *blow* away. An Orc or a Tauren wouldn't have too many problems blocking an Ogre swing with a shield. Even if a Gnome was exceptionally strong for his race an Orge would simply bash him away... Ant-human effect.
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I've no idea how you got a good rating if your reply to what Sinstalis wrote is any indication of what replies you gave others postings.
I believe the main problem here is that people are arguing what makes sense lore-wise against what makes sense game play wise. Limiting what races could be a DK would penalize a portion of players that simply didn't choose those particular races. Besides, I don't see people making posts complaining that Tauren can't be warlocks or that Blood Elves can't be shaman's.
I believe the main problem here is that people are arguing what makes sense lore-wise against what makes sense game play wise. Limiting what races could be a DK would penalize a portion of players that simply didn't choose those particular races. Besides, I don't see people making posts complaining that Tauren can't be warlocks or that Blood Elves can't be shaman's.
#23REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 24 2008 at 10:13 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) How do you work that one out? Like you pointed out yourself, there's already a few race/class combinations why literally cannot be made. Aren't the people who would want such a combination already penalized then?
How many times are we going to do this? Will the community as a whole never learn? Bringing real-world physics into World of Warcraft does not work. Hell, bringing Blizzard's own lore into the game barely works half the time.
Chant this mantra with me: It's a video game, designed to be played and sold. It's a video game, designed to be played and sold. It's a video game, designed to be played and sold...
Chant this mantra with me: It's a video game, designed to be played and sold. It's a video game, designed to be played and sold. It's a video game, designed to be played and sold...
Bringing anything into fantasy will not work, that's what it's fantasy for. Still, some things can generally be taken for granted unless stated otherwise. Gravity to name an obvious example.
On the Northrend Beta realm, I've created a DK. Yes, it's a gnome. Yes, it has pink hair. Additionally, I saw lots of pink-haired gnome death knights. It seems like it's the most popular race/coloration, at least on the beta PvE realm. I guess that peeps there are a bit more open-minded than some of the narrow-minded asshats (whose names starts in "V" and "Moz") that posted that they should not be allowed.
/target Veverzhus & Mozared
/point
/laugh
Edited, Jul 24th 2008 8:11pm by ohmikeghod
/target Veverzhus & Mozared
/point
/laugh
Edited, Jul 24th 2008 8:11pm by ohmikeghod
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