Theo's Rogue Beta thread.Follow

Well, as I just got into beta with my rogue's account, I'll need to be posting my rogue findings somewhere, and where better to do that than in a post on the rogue forums here. (***** those noobs on the oboards!)

No info yet as I just got word that my contact at Blizzard is sending it to me in the next day or two, but rest assured that with just arena to do, I'll be spending quite a bit of time on the beta server leveling up.

I'm going to see if I can get my priest friend an invite as well, since my brother already has one so we can get some instance strategies down as well.

For now, cheerio. I'll keep this thread bumped with my findings, and I'll also be testing out talents in the next week or so extensively.

Theo, creating this thread is a great idea.

Perhaps you should save the first 10 posts in the threads you make like this so that we can see all of your info at the top of the thread. I say this because your PVP thread is awesome, but difficult to sort through to find your posts.

Initial reaction to 51/0/10:

Not being a fan of mutilate, here's what I found.

1) My stats were as follows: 1813 AP, 124 hit, 31.27% crit, 693 armor pen.

2) The build felt clunky. Hunger for Blood is a ridiculously under powered talent that really only has uses in PvP. In PvE, mutilate builds are too starved for energy to really make use of HfB.

Initial reaction to 18/0/43:

1) My stats: 2050 AP, 130 hit, 33.64% crit, 1211 armor pen.

2) Wrongfully accused is an amazing talent; it'll be essential in any PvP build. I'll need to do more testing, but it applies a buff to you that reduces damage done to you for 6 secs by 50%. This could possibly be the most overpowered talent out there if it applies every time someone new targets you (which I believe it does).

My next build that I'll test out and give you some feedback on is 11/50/0. Murder Spree is NYI (not yet implemented) from the looks of things, so I doubt I'll be taking it until then.

Good thing respecs are one copper!

That's all for now guys. I've been playing my death knight quite a bit, though. They're a lot of fun. Go check out my Beta thread for DKs on the DK forum (class=10).

At least you can use it whilst stealthed.

It's too much energy to use in a raid environment without Combat Potency, IMO.

I'm playing on Northrend (PvE) because my failtrain of a brother and the other two or three people from my guild are there as well.

I'll probably copy one of my rogues to Lich King to talk to some rogue folks like Vulajin, though.


I don't have a "vendetta" against mut. I dislike the build because it's inefficient. As far as damage goes, I was killing mobs quicker as my sub spec. It could be because of my weapons (i.e. I have S3 swords for sub, nothing but 95/97 DPS daggers for mut), but mutilate doesn't feel different at all to how it was prior to the WotLK talents. I didn't see any procs of Focused Attacks (and if they did proc, they weren't noticeable), and really the only thing I can say about it is that Deadly Brew is pretty nice.

Shadow Dance isn't worth losing 8 more points in Assassination. Use your brain.

Edited, Jul 22nd 2008 4:49pm by Theophany

True story; that Focused Attacks talent when using ~45% crit is nearly as good as Combat Potency is with a 1.4s, at least on a per-talent point basis.

45% crit rate, two 1.8s daggers (= 1.38 without other haste plus) * 30% to proc 3 energy is an average of ~1.5 E/S for 3 talent points, or .5 E/S per point. Completely hitcapped Rogue (including Expertise capping) with a 1.4s (= 1.07 without other haste) offhand having a 20% to proc 15 energy is an average of ~3.2 E/S for 5 talent points, or ~.64 E/S per point.

It's really not that bad, and I do think people are severely underrating it. Yeah, 45% crit is high but it might be worth building for that with the way some of the new talents are set up, so... *shrug*. It should rerun the numbers at some point with a fast OH, since it might well be worth it for better Energy generation even with the Muti damage loss.

Not sure if im right or not, but this build looks OP for PvP -- its an improved level 80 shadowstep :)

http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=f0ebRe0sZZxMjoMGRoxsxub

Oh, something I meant to ask you. Vanish and shadow dance set up Wrongfully Accused again, right? No hidden CD on it?

Hmm, i would've definately taken Fleet Footed but i seem to recall you saying boar's/cat's speed and fleet footed with camouflage doesnt stack with the fleet footed, maybe its just my eyes playing tricks on me.. hehe

It's not the only thing currently horribly broken. Paladins can get crit SoC judgements in the ~16-17,000 damage range at the moment, which makes something as minor as a permanent Shield Wall just seem so... passé.

http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=f0eboeRRiMoVbctGcV0bV

i know yall hate on me for not being mutilate

but for RAID dps...

you think hunger for bloods 15% dmg increase, the chance of free 5pt slice n dices, seal fate, and all the poison damage increases outdps the combat goodies on boss fights?

how to test? the unkillable **** in blasted lands... stacking hit n crit and ap, not just ap n hit

the rotation will be a lot more reactive, but i think it just might have a shot it taking down combat (at least if your excellent at the rotation)

rotation prob being 5pt slice, 5evis, then rotate 5evis's until one doesnt crit, then 1pt slice, 3pt slice, 5pt slice (energy concerns for keeping hunger for blood up, this is just theory)

if you hit 80, and get a chance to check theo... lemme know how it works

Double check the build...he didn't take mutilate. o.O

Fleet Footed is better.... it's more run speed then boar's speed or cat's swiftness and it reduces roots which can get very annoying.