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Ditto. In raiding, vanish is generally used to pump out more DPS. Even if you let the tank get a nice head start, you'll catch him very fast on a well geared raiding rogue (of the same gear level as the tank). Vanish is crucial in controlling agro in most fights. If you don't time it right, you end up having to throttle your DPS anyway (or stop hitting the boss all together).

Vanish on trash/5 mans is generally used to stop you from getting smacked. However, in a raid if you get smacked once you are pretty much dead.

Same thing goes with pretty much all the DPS agro reducing abilities. They add DPS by allowing you to continue to DPS and not have to throttle or stop what you are doing. That is the point of an agro dump... or agro reducing abilities. DPS classes simply can put out more TPS than a good tank (even with salv)... and eventually will need something to dump that agro.

with the increase in tanks threat and the changes to salv i'm glad they've given us an aggro reducer other than divine shield (which is only a temporary drop) and death. i typically choose salv over might or kings so i don't pull aggro. it will be nice to have tanks doing more threat and be able to have might up. this makes improved blessing might a worthwhile talent now too. with the changes in the ret tree and allys getting seal of the martyr (SoB) i see my dps increasing enough it will be nice to finally have an aggro reducer.

this is only partially true. yes tanks should do everything they can to ensure they stay ahead on the threat meter. however any good dps will catch up and pass the tanks threat. this is where the dps watching their threat and either using aggro dumps or scaling back their dps/threat is on the dpser not the tank.



this is why dps needs to watch their threat.....



i think i missed something... why will this be a pain in pug 5-mans?

Threat is being reworked, as a pally it sucks to lose the salvation that makes us so needed for content right now but blizzard gave us an ability that the more I think about it the more powerful it is.

We have a Soulshatter, Feign Death, Fade type ability that we can use to save the day. RPZip uses a very good example, Felmyst. I have had to bubble warlocks on every other attempt as we learned that fight and they learned how to maximize dps on the boss while it was in the air all while watching threat, Hand of Salvation would be ace to have on that encounter. A different example would be an Affliction warlock who is close to pulling aggro and all his dots are up, soulshatter is on cooldown and even if he stops his dots are going to keep ticking, so he is pretty much f'ucked. Pop hand of salvation and not only is he losing 20% threat over 10 seconds (saving him from an aggro pull and allowing him to go balls out once it is done) but it also negating his dot damage to further decrease threat generated while he is waiting on the 10 second "save my *** ability" to do its job. I can think of a number of tanking encounters where aggro switches with it might be nails as well. Or situations with adds where raid healers might get aggro.

If anyone can confirm the cooldown that would be good to know in terms of realizing how strong it may just actually be.