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looks like a tanking skill. See somebody getting close to taking aggro, give em the dunce cap.

or if somebody does pull aggro, macro this to RD and take em down a notch.

What exactly is confusing about it?

You throw it on a high-threat target during any downtime or when needed. Tossing a glance at Omen (or having players request it over Ventrilo or party chat) and then using it on them isn't exactly complex, certainly no more complex than having Paladins use BoP on high-threat targets when Felmyst is landing or similar situations.

I agree with Maulgak on this one. It's an active threat reducer that requires you pay more attention. I agree that the 2%/second for 10 seconds doesn't necessarily sound like a lot but I guess we'll have to see how it works in practice.

Two minutes.

it dont look like that much but it lowers they're threat 20% by end of it thats not really that bad. yeah it's not as good as runing salvation for 30 min but 20% threat dump aint bad. not to mention 10% less damage that will mess up the damage meters and make them watch threat even more.

Boooooo!

Pala's should always be 100% critical to the success of a raid.

>:C

Well the purpose of an aggro reducer isn't so that you don't get aggro, it's so you can do even more damage. If you see yourself getting close to the tank, throw that up. It allows you to crank out even more damage while it's up and you fall back behind the tank more, and when it wears off you can scale it back a little then.

Is it a reduction of threat for ten seconds? Or a permanent reduction of threat in 2% steps that stops accruing after ten seconds?

Well here's how I see it: lets say the tank is capable of doing 1000 tps, but you are capable of doing 1200 dps. Assuming the tank gets a good 10,000 threat lead before you start dpsing, it will take 50 seconds for you to catch up to the tank (At which point you will both have 60,000 threat)

Now you can sit there and stay regulated at 1000 dps to match the tank, keeping it down a notch for the rest of the fight. Or you can throw up HoSalv

Now over the next 10 seconds your threat is lowered by 2% per second. So here's a quick rundown of it, assuming you were still cranking out 1200 dps.

 
Second           Tank Threat          Your Threat 
0                  60000                 60000  
1                  61000                 60000 (60000 * 0.98 = 58,800 + 1200 = 60000) 
2                  62000                 60000 
3                  63000                 60000 
4                  64000                 60000 
... 
10                 70000                 60000 

Just like that, your tank has another 10000 threat lead on you and it will take you another 50 seconds of 1200 dps to catch up to him again.

So with using Salv, you are allowing yourself 110 seconds of doing 1200 dps, then waiting 70 seconds of 1000 dps before you can do even more seconds of 1200 dps (more than 50 since you will be losing more threat)
Without it, you get 50 seconds of doing 1200 dps, and then doing 1000 dps for the rest of the fight.


Now I just pulled those numbers out of nowhere, and it probably won't make you break even like it did there. However, at higher threat values later in the fight, 2% is a LOT more threat loss, and will take you longer to build it back up.

It's the 10% damage reduction that makes this one weird. If they didn't have that damage reduction, this would be soooo much better.



The latter. It is pretty powerful for the longer fights (like the Captain shows in his table).



Exactly my point. Why should we have to manage other people's threat? If it was self-cast only, then it makes more sense. I can just see the "damage meter watchers" now say that a Paladin will get regulated to just casting this on all the DPS in a raid for the second half of a fight, or something like that.

Because Paladins have always been, and probably always will be, a great supporting class. That's what this spell is, another support for the Paladin's teammates. If it has a CD it certainly won't be something where we are babysitting the DPS and watching their threat for them, but something more along the lines of Blessing of Protection: an OH SH!@ button for when something bad or unexpected happens.

I know having an Enhancement Shaman that even watching my threat meter like a hawk if I pull out a crit string at the wrong time it's very possible I can pull aggro when I didn't think I was in any danger of that at all.

Edited, Jul 21st 2008 2:55pm by Maulgak

Supporting someone and managing a DPS's threat for them are 2 different things.

The best way to resolve this is to give your Shammy a threat reducing talent. Not to give a Paladin the talent so that they do it for you.



Edited, Jul 22nd 2008 9:29am by YJMark

I use Vanish to up my DPS on my Rogue all the time. Hell, it's the single reason I will usually out-DPS even better-geared Fury warriors on a boss fight, assuming our tank doesn't have insane threat generation where I can't catch him again on threat after I Vanish.