since it hasnt been posted yet (wotlk druid stuff)Follow

YuvalR:
That's why I said "have to see how things will be". I doubt Tiger's fury will be free of cost. Its too much a buff to be free. I really doubt Blizzard will let it be as it is, but, again, will have to see it working. If they let it, of course I'm taking it. No doubt about that, no second thought. Considering this talent + powershift you simply wont ever need to worry with energy starving again. You will always have enough energy for, at least, a shred.

But, as usual, I think Blizzard will try to "balance" things out, so probably Tiger's fury will have a cost, so, maybe, this replenish wont be as good as it is now.

About the other talent I talked about, I dunno if it will work for raid boss. Most likely not, but maybe it will. If it works, probably I'll pick it up, at least one point on it, for the times when I'm tanking. If not, only if I'm going pvp. I don't worry about 5-mans. Honestly, I never thought 5-mans were difficult, none of them, so my build wont be done for that.

And I agree with you that 50% is probably too much. Maybe they will change it to 20ish% and add a descrease on spell cast too, just as warr/hunters have now. MAYBE.

ps. Your calculations are a litlle off, but I understood what you meant.

edit:
Btw, I just noticed: if tigers fury really gives 60 energy back, it would actually make sense to use Ferocious Bite again and pick Feral Aggression, since Primal Aggression increases its crit chance by 50%, so that's pretty much as saying "yes, you will crit on FB".
That means, your setup on atack would be something like "berserk-mangle-shred till 4/5cp-mangle(if it's not on)-fb(50%more crit + 15% more dmg)-tigerfury(60 energy back! no energy starving with FB!)-(mangle if needed)shred till 5 cp-rip" and back and forth.
But, once again, will have to see if FB will become less useless for real. Maybe I'm just wrong.
And I was thinking that maybe Master Shapeshifter isnt that good for real. It gives you a flat 4% crit chance, or it gives 4% more than you have? If its a 4% flat crit chance, its good for the first few levels or maybe the first raid. Then it become useless, caus it doesn't scale well.
If it's the other way around, it will be most likely useless as well. Let's say you have 50% crit chance. 4% on that is 2%, so you will have 52% crit chance with that talent. Not really good, since you have to spend 5 talents points that could be spent elsewhere.

Summing all...lots of doubts, lots of questions.

Edited, Jul 22nd 2008 2:46pm by Brisin

I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing... what do you guys think?

The ability of boomkin to do serious AoE damage has been dramatically improved. Not only is the Hurricane cooldown gone, but they get *two* new AoE spells. The delicious thing is that two of them are fire-and-forget-- both Typhoon and Starfall are instant casts, allowing them to work while the boomkin channels Hurricane. Typhoon might not work well for this, though, since it could be knocking people out of the Hurricane. Whatever, it's still a massive boost to AoE damage potential. Imp. Moonkin Aura, the again-buffed Imp. Faerie Fire, and Nature's Fury also contribute to the boomkin's raid utility.

The way I see it, there are two potential boomkin builds. The first is 16 Resto, picking up Intensity, Omen of Clarity, and Master Shapeshifter, then dumping the rest in Balance. It's a superior build for regen, but it also wastes several talent points on non-nuking talents to get up to tier3. The other is exactly *2* Resto for Imp. MotW, and the rest Balance.



The buff to Survival of the Fittest is good in and of itself, but it has the added advantage of making druids need less defense on their gear. And the Resto buffs are looking tremendous, but be warned, treekin... Flourish is CoH-like in its power, and CoH is getting a significant cooldown.

On the other hand, the double effect from SotF could be to make itemization easier for feral druids, like what they're doing with spellpower. Defense rating has always been a gimped stat for us, since we can't parry or block. Maybe they're leaving defense rating for classes that can actually use 3/4 (DK) or all (War/Pal) of the benefit. If we don't have to itemize for crit immunity, maybe we can actually be the tank with the most health.

Edit: I also noticed that the Warrior and Paly talents for defense skill (Anticipation) has been changed from 4/8/12/16/20 Defense skill to 1/2/3/4/5% Dodge.

Edited, Jul 26th 2008 8:20pm by AstarintheDruid

crushing blows are being "reworked" as blizzard put it, which has generally been accepted to mean "removed". whether or not some kind of +crit will be added to compensate for this no one can say as of yet, but i dont think blizzard is one to use such an inelegant solution as that. for now, i think its safe to say that druids will be crit immune via talents.

however, it should be noted that the agi/crit ratio has been changed in the beta, resulting in a 4-6% crit rate drop in most high-end geared druids there. in short, druids who focused heavily on agi in BC will have a rude awakening come WotLK (assuming nothing changes, and its not looking like it will). str is, likewise, being revalued as not only a tank stat but a dps stat, as a druid can no longer rely on a 40%+ crit rate to generate threat and DPS.

I need Primal Tenacity now. It'll be so much fun watching those damn Hemo Rogues try to gnaw their way through my health.

Edited, Jul 29th 2008 5:49pm by Mazra

except that mages are pathetic in their worthlessness these days.