NEW WoTLK Hunter Patch Notes!!!!Follow

Discuss. I would, but I'm totally speechless.

Edited, Jul 18th 2008 4:07am by ProjectMidnight

Edited, Jul 18th 2008 4:15am by ProjectMidnight

I wonder if MM would be the pvp specc for Wotlk.Or SV will take his place.
Some info from megatf..

Hunter:

51 pt Beast Mastery:
Beast Mastery [NYI] - You master the art of Beast training, teaching you the ability to tame Exotic pets and increasing your total amount of Pet Skill Points by 5.

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You can tame dragons and sh*t and get their special abilities

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51 pt Marsmanship:
Chimera shot - You deal 30% weapon damage, consuming the current Sting on your target and triggering an effect:
Serpent Sting - Instantly deals 40% of the damage done by your Serpent Sting.
Viper Sting - Instantly burns 30% of the amount of mana drained on your Viper Sting, restoring 100% back to you.
Scorpid Sting - Reduces damage done by the target's next three attacks by 60%. The damage reduction is diminished by 20% following each attack. Lasts 10 sec.

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Does what it says
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51 pt Survival:
Explosive Shot - You fire an explosive charge into the target, dealing ${$RAP*0.2+$m1}-${$RAP*0.2+$M1} Fire damage every second for $d to all enemies within 5 yards of the target.

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Kind of like xplosive trap, instant, lots of damage, another form of burst will give more info when I try it out
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Also New Abilities:


Camouflage: (Level 68, 5 min cooldown) You Camouflage, causing you to blend in with your surroundings. Instantly removes all physical and spell debuffs, and you fade into an improved invisibility state. Camouflage will break after the you deal damage. Lasts until cancelled.

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Cloak of Shadows and Vanish int he same move
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Heart of the Phoenix: When your pet dies, it miraculously returns to life with 10% health. Cannot occur more than once per 10 minutes.

But BM is gonna be so so fun!Now i am confused dont know what to choosee..lol

Edited, Jul 18th 2008 5:29am by dorogodess

I think it's because blizzard isn't very creative with hunters. They take ideas from other classes, tweak it a bit (read: dull it down) and throw it in somewhere. The new survival 51-talent is kinda like Seed of Corruption, no?

I want a beta invite even more now

but this:



does it mean no more having a new pet that needs to be fed more often? (ie: Unruly -> best Friend)
does it mean no more hunting for pets to tame for abilities?

I don't know, if so, I can't be the only person who thinks this is, well, not good, can I?

I really enjoy finding a new pet, and when it dings to Best Friend I really have a sense of something happening with my pet, the "bond" has grown.

I also actually enjoy hunting for temp-pets to gain new abilities for my perma-pet.

I see lots of QQing about PvP and Arena stuff, but this rather major change to a fundamental gameplay aspect of Hunters just seems so... off the wall. And of course, this is potential fodder for the "huntard" accusations, since now, being a Hunter will be even easier.

Now, there's no longer any status to having that rare pet you tamed at level 18, when you're level 60. it was damned hard to get, you travelled across difficult terrain, you died a bunch of times, and you KEPT that pet for 40 some odd levels. Now any old level 70 can run off to a low level area on their high-speed mount, toss off a few one-hit kills and tame a rare low level pet with total inpunity. There is no danger to them. They're already 50 levels higher!

I don't know, maybe I worked too hard to get the somewhat rarer pets I have. Maybe I take it too personally.


and did anyone notice the following?



I'm not noticing much outrage over that.
My kitty has both. Does this mean he loses one or the other? I will have to choose?

Edited, Jul 18th 2008 8:43am by capcanuk

the bite nerf isnt such a big one to be honest.
If you have just claw and no bite you'll lose a bit of dps but not enough to go mad about.

And with bite changing to focus dump, it would have been pointless to get both anyway.

Maybe they thought that people might want to take mortal shots without necessarily wanting to take Aimed, and saving them a point. Like what Aethien did. :)

Aeth, let's discuss our choices shall we. :-)

Any reason you didn't pick up, Cobra Strikes? The way I see it, that's a gauranteed 2 more Kill Commands with that talent(I say 2 not 3, because there is a chance you're crit will come from claw or bite which will trigger faster that KC can cool down). Not to mention gauranteed 6%(3% with your build) mana regen from Invigoration.

I was comparing Cobra Strikes to Carefull Aim and just seemed like CS was the better of the two. I mean Carefull Aim seems like a slightly improved TSA. I mean exactly how much Int will we have at 80, will it really be worth it with scaling?

Beast Mastery is the one I was unsure of, I mean those 5 talent points may be really worth it, they may not. Or maybe those exotics pets trainable only to BM will be awesome, think top dps pets in game may only be trainable with this ability. It's still anyones guess on that.

For some reason most sources have missed this one, but I found that description in the alpha wiki forum.

It says it consumes the current sting, so it works similar to paladins judgements in that whichever sting is active on the enemy at the time you use chimera shot, that is the effect you will get.

You made me rethink my choices.
And I decided to completely drop aspect mastery.
With our current AotH being 155 AP I doubt WotLK will see a AotH larger than ~250AP, so ~125 AP for 5 talents points? nothanks.
And with Cobra Strikes + Invigoration and assuming there's still a SV in the party mana will be fine without the buff to AotV.

so New build


As for hunting party, it looks godly to say the least.
2% mana return every ~10 seconds is for me at 8k mana raidbuffed 160 mana, or 80 Mp5

150 AP for 5 talent points is still nothanks if careful aim gives 250+ (at the very least) for 3 talent points.
And as I dont see mana becoming as much of a problem, my judgment of aspect mastery = suck stands.

If my math is somewhat correct:
Invigoration (2% mana return on petcrit) + Cobra strikes (60% chance on crit for next 3 petspecials to crit) would currently give a mediocre geared hunter with raidbuffed 25% crit and 7k mana:
25% crit
60% chance on crit for 3x 2% mana return.

averages 15% chance to get 6% mana return.

1 shot per second average, is 15 times 6% mana return per 100 seconds.
90% mana return per 100 seconds, or 9% mana return per 10 seconds.

Wich ends at 630 mana per 10 seconds for 7k mana.
a.k.a 315 Mp5

Assuming that you lose a lot of that through the pet not getting 3 specials before next crit and critless strings, I would still expect upwards of 200Mp5.

Something, somewhere tells me that that is quite OP or that my math is horribly off.

Especially this coupled with a 80 second BW cooldown (-30% cooldown from longevity), making you spend 22.5% of the time in BW for 20% manacost reduction and a SV hunter's hunting party I think we can say goodbye to hunter mana problems.

1st is a flat 6% autoshot dps increase, or a total of about 2.4% dps increase for 3 talent points, not too strong really.
2nd is rather unimpressive too imo, 15% chance to do 15% extra damage on an ability you wont use as much, maybe even never. (steady vs arcane now is equal damage and SS is much cheaper)
3rd is actually really quite nice.


No love? see 1 post up please, cheeky has even calculaed it to be worth 400+Mp5 for a T6 geared hunter, assuming that special abilities will be the same as they mean with special abilities for classes, a.k.a. all yellow damage.
BW down from 2 minutes to 1m 24 sec definately isnt bad either, and the pet specials can have some quite nice effects too.

It's clear that you havent been reading on TKA and EJ.
The general concensus (wich I agree with for the full 100%) is that the roles that have been formed in tBC are more divided than they were before.
BM = PvE Dps
MM = PvP
SV = PvE Utility

Also, 0/15/5 are the new 20 points every build should have.

edit: oh and yeah, Aspect mastery is utter crap.
2 points (or even maybe just 1) in Careful Aim will give more AP probably, with shaman and hunter gear most likely featuring much more intellect.
And with Careful Aim making int close to equal to agility.
Mana wont be a problem at all with the insane mana regen of invigoration + Cobra Strikes so the boost to AotV is useless too.


edit 2: Pet special abilities mouse over the pet family text to change to another one.
I've seen the pet talent trees too, I'll look em up later.

Edited, Jul 19th 2008 12:07pm by Aethien