I am posting to find out what everyone thinks is indeed best for raiding, add pvp if u wish and add links(easy to use wowhead.com tools>talent calculater>warlock) so others can view ur opinions and comment or make suggestions on how to make them better. My current talents for my 67 lock, aspiring to be a raider are as listed:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IqMMVMczZZEx0tr0pb0A
this is obviously my dest build, any critisizm would be much appreciated!!!
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Couple things your missing to make that a good Destro Build. First of all drop Affliction and go for Demonic Sacrifice. Sacrifice your Succubus for 15% Shadow Damage. Also, get Backlash for 3% more crit.
Also, Destro is not the way to go for early raiding. Bare minimum you need around 140-170 Hit and 15% Crit to make it work decently. Preferably, and most experts will tell you, wait until your Hit Capped at 202 and have 20% Crit.
Before that, any build with Unstable Affliction or Felguard will probably out damage a Destro Build.
Also, Destro is not the way to go for early raiding. Bare minimum you need around 140-170 Hit and 15% Crit to make it work decently. Preferably, and most experts will tell you, wait until your Hit Capped at 202 and have 20% Crit.
Before that, any build with Unstable Affliction or Felguard will probably out damage a Destro Build.
if you're after being the 'best helpful' warlock... something along the lines of 43/5/13 with all relevant talents to buff players/debuff boss.
if you're after best damage.. well it's dependant on gear but basically once you hit T5 content, 0/21/40 SHADOW is the top RAID dps spec
Edited, Jul 18th 2008 12:33pm by Jenovaomega
if you're after best damage.. well it's dependant on gear but basically once you hit T5 content, 0/21/40 SHADOW is the top RAID dps spec
Edited, Jul 18th 2008 12:33pm by Jenovaomega
Lathais wrote:
Couple things your missing to make that a good Destro Build. First of all drop Affliction and go for Demonic Sacrifice. Sacrifice your Succubus for 15% Shadow Damage. Also, get Backlash for 3% more crit.
Also, Destro is not the way to go for early raiding. Bare minimum you need around 140-170 Hit and 15% Crit to make it work decently. Preferably, and most experts will tell you, wait until your Hit Capped at 202 and have 20% Crit.
Before that, any build with Unstable Affliction or Felguard will probably out damage a Destro Build.
Also, Destro is not the way to go for early raiding. Bare minimum you need around 140-170 Hit and 15% Crit to make it work decently. Preferably, and most experts will tell you, wait until your Hit Capped at 202 and have 20% Crit.
Before that, any build with Unstable Affliction or Felguard will probably out damage a Destro Build.
This is spot on. UA deffo out damages that basic Destro requirement. I've done both. BUT...if you want to go destro in the end, then go for it once you have 150 hit and 17% crit. You will learn it better, especially aggro management. And KEEP WORKING FOR THE HIT CAP AND 20% CRIT.
It will be vital beyond Kara.
Good luck.
Bare minimum stats for Destruction:
202 Spell hit. 199-205, actually, but either way need to be as close to hit capped without going too far over.
At 0/0/0 spec, 20%-ish crit.
1000+ shadow damage.
If you can't get hit capped before Gruul's/Mag's, you're doing it wrong.
202 Spell hit. 199-205, actually, but either way need to be as close to hit capped without going too far over.
At 0/0/0 spec, 20%-ish crit.
1000+ shadow damage.
If you can't get hit capped before Gruul's/Mag's, you're doing it wrong.
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Use a spreadsheet to determine when it's time to go from Affliction to Destruction. You can go and do more dps with less +spell hit than you might think.
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Bare minimum stats for Destruction:
202 Spell hit. 199-205, actually, but either way need to be as close to hit capped without going too far over.
At 0/0/0 spec, 20%-ish crit.
1000+ shadow damage.
202 Spell hit. 199-205, actually, but either way need to be as close to hit capped without going too far over.
At 0/0/0 spec, 20%-ish crit.
1000+ shadow damage.
This is BS. You can go Destro Earlier and still do more or the same amount of damage as another build. The bare minimum I posted works. Granted your not getting the full benefit of Destro, but your DPS will be about even with Aff spec with those stats. If you have latency or lag issues it may even go up as you don't have to worry about DoT Uptime. I'll agree, for it to really shine you need what you posted, but despite popular belief, it does work before this.
bare minimum for dest is alot lower..
170+ +hit
1000+dmg
20% crit (at 170 hit, at 202 you can go down to 16% crit)
these really are a minimum for dest, anything below this and you can do more damage as afliction or demonology
170+ +hit
1000+dmg
20% crit (at 170 hit, at 202 you can go down to 16% crit)
these really are a minimum for dest, anything below this and you can do more damage as afliction or demonology
I changed to destruction with less than that and I was instantly topping my affliction DPS.
Just to add to the topic discussion: Many raids purposely bring a deep affliction lock as well for their raid utility.
Generally speaking locks go Affliction until mid t4, then destro seems to be the trend in the raids I've been in. Your stats will start getting good for destro after a few t4 drops and really good in early t5 (with a lot of t4 drops and badge gear).
But in the end, what is "best" is what works for your group. Be it Kara clears or learning Archie, the mix and specs of the raid as a whole is what's most important. Teamwork and being flexible with your build/gear/role/etc is "best" in the end.
Good luck!
Generally speaking locks go Affliction until mid t4, then destro seems to be the trend in the raids I've been in. Your stats will start getting good for destro after a few t4 drops and really good in early t5 (with a lot of t4 drops and badge gear).
But in the end, what is "best" is what works for your group. Be it Kara clears or learning Archie, the mix and specs of the raid as a whole is what's most important. Teamwork and being flexible with your build/gear/role/etc is "best" in the end.
Good luck!
honestly most people don't know how to DPS as afliction... compared to simply pressing SB there's a big difference in skill required so seeing improvements is actually quite likely.. but IF afliction is played properly it'll out-dps destruction at lower stat levels.
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I changed to destruction with less than that and I was instantly topping my affliction DPS.
Not to be rude, but your DoT management sucks then. In my current gear on my warlock, I come very close to the DPS of the only 21/40 raiding lock in my guild in T5 content. And I'm on Malediction duty.
Locks generally won't have the combination of crit, hit and damage until they get T5 equivalent gear.
indeed. and by T6 content you can get beyond the 'minimum haste rating' requirement (5%) for haste to start becoming useful in boss encounters (a requirement of closer to 12% is needed for trash mobs for haste to be worth it.... possibly more depending on how good your guilds dps are). by the time you reach near endgame T6.5 content you might beable to get the 'perfect' unbuffed stats...
10k hp/mp
202 hit (190 if you KNOW you'll always have a draenai in your group who doesn't die often)
25% crit (before devestation)
25% haste (brings SB down to a 2second cast)
T6 4set bonus
as much +shadow/+dmg as possible
10k hp/mp
202 hit (190 if you KNOW you'll always have a draenai in your group who doesn't die often)
25% crit (before devestation)
25% haste (brings SB down to a 2second cast)
T6 4set bonus
as much +shadow/+dmg as possible
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Not to be rude, but your DoT management sucks then. In my current gear on my warlock, I come very close to the DPS of the only 21/40 raiding lock in my guild in T5 content. And I'm on Malediction duty.
Locks generally won't have the combination of crit, hit and damage until they get T5 equivalent gear.
Locks generally won't have the combination of crit, hit and damage until they get T5 equivalent gear.
Using the warlock spreadsheet, it said I could do more DPS theoretically at my gear level (T4/Kara). I switched and the spreadsheet was correct. It assumes that you have perfect DoT management.
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Using the warlock spreadsheet, it said I could do more DPS theoretically at my gear level (T4/Kara). I switched and the spreadsheet was correct. It assumes that you have perfect DoT management.
That's because there's a great flaw with the spreadsheet. The way it values stats is heavily biased to destruction builds. So it will almost always tell you to go destruction. It also does not assume perfect DoT uptime unless you tell it to. I think it calculates in a second of lag time by default, maybe 1.5. It also over values haste, and will tell you you should use haste when you really shouldn't be yet, as it values Haste too highly.
The reason it does this, is it is aimed at T6/6.5 Lock who are entering Sunwell. When you can get enough Haste, it is as good as the spreadsheet says. When you have the T6 gear, Destro IS better. So it makes sense why the spreadsheet is set up the way it is, however in T4/5, you can't entirely trust it. Do some Dr. Boom testing if you don't believe me. Just make sure your DoT Rotations are good.
Edited, Jul 22nd 2008 9:07am by Lathais
Scholar
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Ah, I'll check out the good Dr then to see what I ought to be doing. Thanks!
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