Titans Grip???Follow

On the Oboard's the warriors are buzzing about this. From what I've read and seen math wise, if not changed Titan's grip is actually a downgrade in DPS due to the weapon delay. Thats not 100% on the money as there fighting like little kids over DPS rotations possible slam builds etc. I think there saying its somewhere around a 20% drop in white damage while the yellow damage you pick up via Bloodthirst> Whirlwind with 2 handers is not enough to recover that as it is. So yeah a Enhance will boost the warrior but, it's looking like if titan's grip isn't changed for Fury in PvE its still 1h dual > 2h Dual. I haven't had a chance to check the warrior boards too much here (You guys are way more civil) so if i'm way off don't rake me through the coals too bad.

Yeah everyone agree's the cool factor of dual 2handers is way up there. Problem is that its possibly not as good as 1 handers for actual use. I'll just wait for WoTLK to come and the real live and final talents to be introduced before I really bother with it. My main's a shaman anyways. I can however understand the warriors frustrations over it, it's a cool talent but if things go the way its looking it will just remain a "cool" talent. If you don't complain its wrong it will never get fixed. So it's probably justified.


Edit: The stats on the 2 handers was proven wrong due to the longer delay time lowering the actual DPS through weapon stats. Basically you would get more bang for your buck but after throwing in the offhand penaltys and accuracy its not worth it unless really well geared. I'd post a link to the fight there having over this on the Oboards but I would have to dig through the "warriors are OP & irleet" posts on the Oboards that sadly flood the warrior forums there.

Edited, Jul 30th 2008 2:52pm by ElDiablos

Right now it sucks from a DPS standpoint. It's really, really cool in concept but you actually lose damage over just using two 1H weapons.



Protip; what's better, attacking 20% faster or attacking at normal speed?

Whirlwind works like Stormstrike, it's still not worth eating the 20% slow for.

You can bet that new armor sets will be made available to enhance this effect. Maybe not to the point where its as fast as DW 1hnd weps, but enouph to shave off 5-10 percent of the penalty. Guess will just have to wait and see.

Edited, Jul 31st 2008 8:09am by Soupaman

There is no compensation. There is no anything. It just sucks, and using it makes you deal less damage. It's not really any more complicated than that; it's like trying to justify using fast weapons as an Enhancement Shaman.

What I hope they'll do is change the talent to reduce the base DPS of the weapons to ~80%, which would put them at the same DPS as equivalent 1H weapons but with better stats and instant-attack (effectively, 'better whirlwind') damage. It'd be cool as hell, but not overpowered (as it would be without the modifier) or underpowered (as it is now).

Edited, Jul 31st 2008 2:21pm by RPZip

You can't get Mortal Strike and Titan's Grip. And I'm not sure, but I think just about every pertinent Warrior ability other than Whirlwind operates off of your main-hand weapon only. If that's wrong, by all means correct me.

There aren't really that many attacks that use weapon damage either, when you get right down to it. For Fury there's Whirlwind (once every nine seconds post-talents) and there's on-next-hit attacks like Heroic Strike, which really aren't weapon-based. Bloodthirst is based purely off AP, Execute is based purely off current rage (works much better with two fast weapons), Slam isn't really usable with dual wielding (although this might change...) and you can't pick up Mortal Strike and Titan's Grip.



It hasn't, and it would still suck, and it'd be an awful, awful way to balance a single talent.

I am admittedly extremely well-geared, but at the moment my unbuffed AP contributes about 50% more than my listed weapon damage does in terms of determining my DPS. Fully raid buffed it's more like 75% of my DPS comes from AP instead of weapon DPS. That number is even worse with worse gear because raid buffs comprise an even greater portion of your overall AP; using the 3:1 AP/DMG ratio, to balance it out for autoattacks they'd need to multiply 2H weapon damage by 60-70%, and I'm pretty sure I can see some balance problems there.

You remind of the Elemental Shaman on this board. They just... can't let go of Lightning Overload. And you... well, you just can't let go of Titan's Grip.

If you're looking for PvP salvation for Fury in WotLK, it's not going to come from Titan's Grip. There are, however, still plenty of improvements to look at. Bloodthirst is better, Blood Surge is nice. Heroic Leap could be staggered with Intercept to make up for not having Imp. Intercept. I dunno... all things considered, I still just don't see Fury as a PvP spec in WotLK since Mortal Strike and Second Wind are just oh-so-key for Warrior PvP, but... you know what, I honestly hope it works out for you. I am always in favor of any class getting more viable specs for rolls.

Will you be able to put a 2h in your main hand and a 1h in your OH?

Does that make any differance?


(I am not smart enough to figure this out myself)

My main is a warrior, and I just have to step in here. The only thing I use white damage for is rage building.

The primary warrior damage output is via GCD rotations. All of the strikes I use (as a prot warrior) are instant attackes. A much slower weapon in the main hand would only really serve to make rage generation spikier. This could be helped through a number of methods and talents which (especially fury) warriors have.

When WOTLK comes out I will have to respec to tank at least once with a two hander.

titans grip still sucks as of now. blizz is pretty adamant that titans grip be the wave of the future, so heres hoping it gets buffed before release (which i dont doubt it will).

but right now, its a pure dps loss overall. what you gain in specials and whirlwind damage you lose in white damage and AP/dmg conversion.