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#1 Jul 17 2008 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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Is frost AoE a viable way to level? Or is it a lot of hooey?

My main is a level 70 warrior, so I've done the grind before, and did it as prot the whole way. I understand that a dps class isn't nearly as time intensive, but still . . .

I've heard some folks say that going for CoC and Blizzard AoE round ups get the job done faster than just doing quests.

I'm not afraid of spending a little time refining skill. I was a wizard in EQ a while back and loved to AoE stuff there. I understand that the mechanics will be slightly different here, but I'm wondering if the results will be similar? In EQ it was the fastest way to level, period.
#2 Jul 17 2008 at 1:09 PM Rating: Good
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It used to be a fast way to level, but now with all the experience quests give, it is no longer faster for leveling than just 'quest grinding'.
#3 Jul 17 2008 at 11:10 PM Rating: Good
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aquifer wrote:
It used to be a fast way to level, but now with all the experience quests give, it is no longer faster for leveling than just 'quest grinding'.


This. The patch that added the extra XP to quests pretty much killed AoE grinding.
#4 Jul 18 2008 at 4:40 AM Rating: Good
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AoE grinding is not as efficient as questing anymore, but an AoE build will still let you kick some butt while questing. Especially the melee mob killing quests (which is a good chunk of them). If played right, you can level really fast with an AoE build.

Just don't plan on AoE grinding mobs for xp.

EDIT - Random thought - I really wish you could turn Frostbite on and off without having to re-spec...

Edited, Jul 18th 2008 8:41am by YJMark
#5 Jul 18 2008 at 6:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Level as frost

Quest to increase levels

AOE Grind to farm mats
#6 Jul 18 2008 at 6:54 AM Rating: Good
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EDIT - Random thought - I really wish you could turn Frostbite on and off without having to re-spec...


Exactly the problem with an AOE grinding build... you can't have frostbite (unless you're 70... I had no issues farming scryer rep as deep frost WITH frostbite). You *need* frostbite leveling because it is what sets up those huge frostbolt crits that you live off of.
#7 Jul 18 2008 at 9:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok, I admit that I'm a complete n00b to mages and I have no experience as a frost build (leveled to 54 as fire), but I don't get why I *need* frostbite to level. It's a 15% chance, but frost nova is a sure fire thing.

For grind quests you typically can get single or double pulls. So you sheep one, let the other come your way blasting away, when it gets close, nova it, jump back, and your critical is set up.

I use nearly that exact tactic for fire build pyro, scorch, fb and the mob is on me (unless impact hit), frost nova, jump back, pump off another fb and it's dead. If it isn't, I shouldn't have been fighting it :)

So I'm wondering why it's seen as a necessity rather than a nicety?
#8 Jul 18 2008 at 10:07 AM Rating: Good
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Frostbite just gives you more chances to proc Shatter. It's not "Needed", but every 2-3 mobs (roughly) it will proc. Add in your regular crits, and that is pretty nice to speed up in killing things.

As a frosty, you will barely ever need Frost Nova. By the time a mob is close to me, it's nearly dead.


Edited, Jul 18th 2008 2:08pm by YJMark
#9 Jul 18 2008 at 10:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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YJMark wrote:
As a mage, you will barely ever need Frost Nova. By the time a mob is close to me, it's nearly dead.


Fixed because fire does it differently but the result is much the same. Smiley: grin
#10 Jul 18 2008 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Pol wrote:
YJMark wrote:
As a mage, you will barely ever need Frost Nova. By the time a mob is close to me, it's nearly dead.

Fixed because fire does it differently but the result is much the same.


Yeah, fire does it twice as fast. :)
#11 Jul 21 2008 at 9:35 AM Rating: Default
Does the new patch increase the XP from quests from 60+?


Becauase if it does not then i think that AOE grinding still maybe very viable.

Usually in one run in Hellfire Pennisula, I get about 10-15k Xp RESTED!!!.

ONE RUN= about 3 min for drinking, and going to next location, and then 2 mins for gathering, killing, an looting mobs.

SO IT COMES DOWN TO ABOUT 5-8XP FOR EVERY ABOUT (higher estimate) 5 MINS,

THEREFORE 60-92XP AN HOUR for aoe grinding in hellfire penninsula

And unless there is another mage doing the AOE grinding near me there is no down time other than drinking and then just getting the next set of mobs?

and quests in Hellfire give about 10k XP and take alot longer to do than 10mins, so AOE grinding is better than questing for me at the moment. lvl 62 frost mage.
#12 Jul 21 2008 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
sushisbloodhoof wrote:
Does the new patch increase the XP from quests from 60+?


Becauase if it does not then i think that AOE grinding still maybe very viable.

Usually in one run in Hellfire Pennisula, I get about 10-15k Xp RESTED!!!.

ONE RUN= about 3 min for drinking, and going to next location, and then 2 mins for gathering, killing, an looting mobs.

SO IT COMES DOWN TO ABOUT 5-8XP FOR EVERY ABOUT (higher estimate) 5 MINS,

THEREFORE 60-92XP AN HOUR for aoe grinding in hellfire penninsula

And unless there is another mage doing the AOE grinding near me there is no down time other than drinking and then just getting the next set of mobs?

and quests in Hellfire give about 10k XP and take alot longer to do than 10mins, so AOE grinding is better than questing for me at the moment. lvl 62 frost mage.


you are also ignoring quests that have you kill mobs (more xp) and doing multiple quests at once not doing one, turning in, doing another, turning in.
#13 Jul 21 2008 at 11:14 AM Rating: Good
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Most of the quests in HFP are things like, get X of an item (generally by killing mobs) or kill Y things. You get 10K XP from the quest, 10-12K XP from killing the guys you need to kill for a total of 20-30K XP per quest done. Given that you do multiple quests at one time, I still doubt that you get the same XP AOE grinding that you do from doing quest grinding. You also don't get the very nice blue gear you get from some of the quests in Honor Hold, as well as the faction reputation you get from questing.

All in all, I'd quest my way up.

Edit: I see Anobix and I had some similar thoughts.

Edited, Jul 21st 2008 3:13pm by aquifer
#14 Jul 21 2008 at 11:23 AM Rating: Good
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Edit: I see Anobix and I had some similar thoughts.


And since Anobix has more than 4,000 posts, it must be true. :)

Seriously though, if you like to AoE grind, then go for it. If you don't, then don't do it. You can level fine both ways. Questing may be a bit faster, but as long as you're having fun - it doesn't matter.

Heck, I level most of my toons by running as many instances as possible. It's not the fastest way, but I find it to be the most fun for me personally.
#15 Jul 21 2008 at 11:33 AM Rating: Good
Not to mention the quest rewards like cooking recipes, upgraded gear, and, well, being able to bomb from a bird. :)
#16 Jul 21 2008 at 6:05 PM Rating: Default
I still strongly beleive, supported by my post.

Becauase u cannot beat 7.5K Xp every 5 mins, because traveling time, finding somethings, and other things that go along with long questing.

HOWEVER I DO AGREE WITH THE FACT, u don't get the gear, but u get a lot of gold from the trash and the few greens, and the rare blue that drops, ESPECIALLY, if u DE.
#17 Jul 22 2008 at 4:56 AM Rating: Good
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Well, Sushi... it's would be nice to actually test that, but I don't have a mage in HFP. I do have a rogue there and could test out his XP/hour (as rogues kill pretty quickly as well) quest grinding and post that in a few days. I am interested in the data that comes out of it. The down side is, I suppose, the fact that you can only AOE grind in HFP for so long. There are some other spots in outlands to grind, but not nearly as many as there were in Pre-BC WoW.
#18 Jul 22 2008 at 6:32 AM Rating: Default
I would also like to test and find the data, but(not to sound rude at all) i personally think AOE grinding is the best way to lvl for me right now( lvl 61-64)

because one simply cannot beat 5-8k Xp every 5mins? nonstop.
#19 Jul 22 2008 at 6:33 AM Rating: Default
but, if u like to quest u should definatly do it, i just want to hit 70!!!
#20 Jul 22 2008 at 6:50 AM Rating: Good
sushisbloodhoof wrote:
I would also like to test and find the data, but(not to sound rude at all) i personally think AOE grinding is the best way to lvl for me right now( lvl 61-64)

because one simply cannot beat 5-8k Xp every 5mins? nonstop.


Don't most of the mobs out there kill for about 1k rested xp?

Also, what are you going to do when you leave HFP?
#21 Jul 22 2008 at 7:04 AM Rating: Good
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I think I can kill a mob per minute on my rogue pretty easily. Like I said, I'll calculate the XP/hour (well, I'm lazy.. I'll load the titan XP panel) and let you guys know what my XP/hour rate is quest-grinding.
#22 Jul 22 2008 at 11:13 AM Rating: Default
Ok, well anobix, i was calculating the Rested XP, just regular, but that is correct, 1k xp about for a rested mob.

and aquifer, the 5min cycle for the AOE is grossly overestimated, if not chatting or doing anything else not pertaining to the grind.

In reality it is about 3mins, or even less, if completely concentrated,

AOE GRIND, LOOT, DRINK & AOE GRIND, LOOT, DRINK.
#23 Jul 22 2008 at 11:14 AM Rating: Default
and anobix, as to after leaving HFP im not sure, ill look for different spots that yeild the XP, (given there are any.)
#24 Jul 22 2008 at 1:31 PM Rating: Good
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Okay, so go grind some stuff for 20 minutes and figure out your XP/Min so we can compare. ;-)
#25 Jul 22 2008 at 4:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Theres not many effective places to AOE in Outlands. Basically you're limitted to the buzzards in hellfire (58-63) then the consortium mobs in netherstorm (67-70).

If you spend 5 full levels on those buzzards, you will probably go insane.

Oh and the sunfury mobs outside BT, but theres a limitted amount of melee clusters.

Believe me, I've scoured Outlands for AOE locations, I leveled a mage and a paladin and was big into the AOE on both. Unfortunately theres no epic AOE spot like pirates cove or sorrow hill in Outlands. You're basically limitted to buzzards, which drop crap (lolmeat)

Edited, Jul 22nd 2008 8:14pm by mikelolol
#26 Jul 22 2008 at 7:09 PM Rating: Good
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So, I killed stuff for about an hour, and was doing quests (a couple gathering, a couple killing x number of mobs). It came out to around 135,000 XP/hour.
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