Demon formFollow

The way I understand it Demon Form is going to allow locks to weather the attacks of melee classes. It'll basically turn you into a spell casting plate wearing behemoth of destruction. As for the pet sac, I think that Demon Form will require you to have a pet out. If it doesn't, I would be somewhat surprised if they didn't let you keep the pet sac buff.

i think it's more of and arena talent, than bg talent.

Demon Form has advantages and disadvantages.

It turns you into a Demon yes, which makes you immune to Polymorph (nice!) but vulnerable to anti-demon abilities like Exorcism. You temporarily lose all your existing Warlock spells, they are replaced with a small set of Demon abilities, not all of which are that great. Shadow Bolt, Immolate, Shadow Bolt Volley (-1 rank Shadowbolt to everyone in range...), Shadow Cleave (shadow damage Cleave), Howl of Terror (instant) and a Charge maneuver like the Felguard.

The advantages seem to be Poly immunity and additional armour, as well as the nice ability to fight back effectively in melee.

The downside is simple, you can still be crowd controlled just as easily. Rogues will still win with ease.

The one really nice thing is it restores your HP to maximum for the duration, effectively giving you a new lease on a fight, but when you resume caster form your old HP returns.

Are you serious? I'd immediatly have to start up a full stunlock mid combat which is nigh impossible since any good warlock always has 3/4 DOTs up on me breaking my ability to add sap into my stunlock. Not to mention my damage against plate is... useless and I'd have to go expose armor to be of any use. If this talent is arena ok locks are going to be my anti-class more than warriors, seeing as how affliction locks already eat me.

So follow up question - any screen shots of how it looks - what demon form do you get?

The main advantage of this against a rogue would the health component. As in, you are down to a few hundred health then Bam!, back to full hp. Its similar to a paladin bubbling and healing. True its only for 45s, but the rogue or any other enemy should be already half dead, thus making 45s more than enough.

Specifically for arena, a HS + Demon-Form combo could easily save you from getting burned when the healer is CCed.




Pretty much that.

DoTs still ticking eh? Cloak of Shadows. Very, very simple. If Warlocks are successfully dotting you then you're doing your stunlock badly wrong; in Arena, your healer should be dispelling those DoTs anyhow. Seriously, Rogues against Warlocks are the easiest class in the universe to play, if you can't beat locks then who can you beat, Shamans? Rogues are anti-caster for goodness sake.

Demon Form simply gives the lock a bit of time to try to fight back, it still doesnt get around the enormous CC advantage of the Rogue.

And I'd hardly call a 51pt talent on a 5min cooldown 'free'.

First, demo is definately going to be amazing for leveling. Although i am strongly opposed to lawlguards for pretty much anything right now, with this at the end....

Yes, demo form will be amazing for 2s for SURE, 3s too, and maybe even 5s, but generally, i'de still vote the affliction tree pwns now! And destro aint lookin too shabby?

But...what about their potential abilities as raid dps? just a thought!

Do you play a mage? Because this is some pretty serious fail right here. If you don't know what detect INVISIBILITY does vs. STEALTH (which is NOTHING), there is something wrong.

Do you know this is the warlock forum? If not, it is - mage related questions go here - http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?wclass=7



Not in the least bit!

Remember, not everyone plays the game simply to number crunch thier toon into the most powerful thing in the world, otherwise, holiday quests and non-combat pets/clothing/items wouldn't have been included in the game.

Personally, I wish there were more ways to customize character appearance, for example, back in EQ they introduced dyes to the game to allow people to color thier armor to taste. Since we're talking an easy half decade ago on an inferior program being run on inferior machines, I think it'd be quite easy for Blizz to impliment that option for us.

Hmm, think I'll toss that out on the main forum and see who bites...

Well, I wouldnt characterize his post as "telling you locks have a fighting chance". I didnt hear any "Whooo, nice talent! See you guys in Arena!".

It sounded a great deal more like "Demon Form OP....have to use ability to counter it....sucks.....locks own me..."

To the point, Rogues have been a bit over the top for a while now; since the buffs their arena representation has skyrocketed, and they are included in the majority of 5v5 comps that also include a Warrior, that is almost all of them. The recent Cheat Death nerf is an example of the scales being somewhat rebalanced, my server is now full of Rogues ******** in General that Cheat Death sucks. Im sorry if some Rogues have problems with Warlocks, frankly I cant imagine how unless the lock has full S3 or higher; until that point on the Resilience curve, Warlocks die too fast against Rogues to cause any real problems for anyone. Like I said, if this isnt the case then you are doing your stunlock incorrectly, trinket or not theres little way for my (not really PvP-geared) lock to escape a Rogue.

Demon Form offers one ability currently which will cause Rogues serious problems, and that is Immolation Aura. I dont know if it will make it to release, but Illidan Form gives a Warlock a Fire Shield ability like the Shaman Fire Elemental, which could knock a Rogue out of stealth if sneaking up on the Demon. It depends on the radius, I wouldnt bank on more than 5yds, which is in range of melee abilities.

Like I say, wait and see. If it breaks CC, it may go badly for Rogues. If not, no problem, quite frankly.

I think you misunderstood Sinistralis. What was meant was "Rogues [who know how to play their class] will still win with ease".

p.s. Don't ask how to play your class here. That's what the rogue forums are for. All you have to do is post "I have no idea on how to play against a warlock...". After they all /point and /laugh, you might get a few tips.

Edited, Jul 23rd 2008 8:31pm by ohmikeghod

They just updated the tooltip for Demon Form. Its not longer a 45 sec spell. its an actual form you can change into at will. It no longer resets your hp/mana to full when you change into it though.