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Hey Tapole

First of all then i see u need a lot better +hit the cap is 164 so u need to get gear that helps on that issue or gems. When u cap is 164 then go for +crit.

About gear i think u should look at this website i use it i know there are others but just use one of those then u are okay.[] http://www.maxdps.com/[/]

Hope that will help u :)

Trold

Hey, sorry i forgot to mention, i normally have the scryer's bloodgem equipped. The armory always catches me with my riding crop. So normally my hit is 149. It was higher on fire, but since the frost cap is lower i think, i replaced some gems with more crit. Isn't the cap without elemental precision on, 202 on fire?

I don't really see what i could have done different on the build though. My dps was constantly bad, whether on trash mobs or boss fights. Unless i was getting a lot of resists, which i don't think i was.

I'll definitely give it another try though.

My guess is that you are not used to the rotation (basically 5s then 7fb/1s)and how to manage your various cool downs. My gear is inferior to yours and I generally expect to see at least 900dps on the boss fights. I don't generally do close to that on trash, but my guild tracks only the boss fights separately so that is how I'm measured. But my boss dps can vary quite a bit. I need to be on my game, and not have to move around a lot. It is also critical that I use icy veins in conjunction with the blood gem and combustion at the appropriate times. Also if I know I'm going to need an evocation I plan the sequence so that its completed before the boss hits 20% health. Quartz and Scorchio will do wonders for your timing. I'd recommend that you use Dr. Boom to practice with the 3/47/11 spec and the addons for a bit and you'll see a huge improvement.

Edited, Jul 17th 2008 1:45pm by MrFredII

MrFred, I thought the actual "raiding" spec was 2/48/11? That is what my mage has. If you interested in my mage and her gear its Magepain on Mannoroth. She is in her PvP gear and I have played her in awhile. Her PvE gear is nice. She is hit capped with 30% or so crit with molten armor on. Anyways, I'm going to start playing her again and was just curious what the difference is with the extra 1 point in arcane. Also, I'm curious why the OP's spec is 40/0/21. When I had lower spell damage I always went with the 40/21/0 for the bonus to spell damage via intellect and the Pyroblast. We all know that fire is currently the best raid dps for most boss fights. With the gear I have for PvE I know for a fact that my base spell damage is over 1.1k, but I also know that my dps is alot less. I did hit 8k multiple times on Gruul back in the day, but my dps wasn't as sustained it seemed as with fire. Like everyone said Tapole it isn't necessary to repeat scorches after one fireball they last for awhile. The only time I would renew scorch before it was less than half way to being gone is when Gruul shatters you, or something similar that way you can start dpsing right out of the down time.

As already mentioned there is a "loose" point in the deep fire with icy veins spec that you can put any where. I generally put in it fire but if OP wants to put it in arcane its his choice. Right now until you get 2 pc T5 the highest sustained dps spec for boss fights is either 2/47/11 (+1) or 10/47/3 (+1). People who have mana consumption issues generally use the second but if you can maintain your mana the Icy Veins spec is best. Generally when we discuss raid specs we consider the mage in isolation. Obviously if you can PLAN on having a shadow priest and/or enhancement shammy you can pretty much ignore mana issues. In my last boss encounter I was with both and with Quag's eye procced and icy veins (roughly 36% spell haste) spamming a 2.1 sec fire ball I was barely dropping mana. Very sweet. To bad it was only for a few seconds...

As for minimums to use deep fire. This is more political than theory craft. If you are already an active raider in a guild that is successful taking down the bosses they tackle and you personally can get higher sustained dps on the boss with a hybrid spec and your class leader is fine with it, so be it. If you need to convince someone that you know what you are about, it is often easier to follow "conventional wisdom". Use deep fire and demonstrate that you know how to optimize your damage with it and you MAY find it easier to get a slot with a raiding guild. Initially, I used the Icy Veins spec with +550 spell damage and 79 Spell hit in Kara, and did just fine, and it was great practice for when I got my spell damage to 800.

Oh, btw not necessarily recommending this to the OP yet, might want a bit more intell on gear, and defenatly the Pendant of the Violet Eye first.

For having tailoring to 375 why aren't you using any of the good pve tailoring patterns (spellfire/frozen shadoweave)

Like i stated in my first post, i had the FSW set, but i wanted more flexibility. So i replaced it, and it's now sitting in the bank collecting dust. I don't see any reason to farm an assload of primal fires for a spellfire set, when the boj/mgt gear is on par if not better.