Rogue/Rogue 2v2 ArenaFollow

As the subject says, I am a rogue and my brother is going to ding 70 on his rogue as soon as he amasses enough marks to avoid as much WSG/AB as possible at 70.

I am 20/0/41 4/5 leth 5/5 vile ect. per Theo's spec suggestions in his PvP guide. My brother is swearing by mutilate and if he has more fun with it, not going to tell him how to play. I know rogue/rogue can be a decent combo for 2v2 but can shs/mut work? or is his lack of survivability and outs going to make him a detriment?

If whoever responds has time to give more than a yes or no question, it would be greatly appreciated. I would like to know what advantages and disadvantages the combo could have and if there are multiple teams (more than if we were shs/shs combo) that would ***** us over. And any synergies and cool tricks that a shs/mut combo could do would be nice.

Many thanks in advance.

Edited, Jul 13th 2008 1:27am by Zisikpus

Most likely you can start by Premeditation + Cheap Shot and then Kidney Shot to keep the target at bay and have your bro finish him up with Mutilate and such. But 2 rogues, survival is everything and without Cheat Death, if your bro get focus fire, he's pretty much done for.

But at least give it a try and see how it goes, it doesn't hurt to try it out at least. Rogue/Rogue team is pretty fun where you can down someone really fast if all goes well :)

So would you say this comp, mut/shs, poses more problems than synergies than shs/shs? and I should try and persuade him to buy those 2 swords as opposed to 2 daggers and switch over? (or 1 sword 1 OH quick dagger whichever). My thought was that I would basically be the CC while he more of "tunnel vision" and kills something. Obviously tunnel vision is always bad, but I think you get the idea.

Theo pretty much said it all up there. Only thing I can recommend is that either you or him pick improved expose armor. When I play with my rogue pall we usually do the following;

Me: premeditation, (shadowstep if the target is AOEing), cheap shot, 5 combo point expose armor, blind partner
Pall: premeditation, shadowstep, ambush, (SS/shiv), kidney shot, blind partner if he trinketed out of my blind

With some timing you can pull this of at a pretty fast rate, and since you have the element of surprise on your hand (specially vs AOE'ing peeps, they don't expect you to get the opener when they're spamming AOE) it can work very well.

Our main counters are paladin/warrior and restodruid/anything. When there's a paladin healer we can usually throw a well timed kick to stop him from healing his buddy as we nuke him down. The problem is that warriors have too much HP and armor for that. Still, we manage to beat paladin/warrior combo's about 50% of the time by just nuking the paladin into his bubble, getting the hell out and restealthing, nuking the paladin to death and then 2-manning the warrior (this is at times incredibly difficult, but usually one of us bashes away while the other goes and restealths). Combinations with a restodruid are pretty much impossible to beat, we lose those 90% of the time. We only win when the druid is too late with trinketing out of our double blind and we manage to down his partner before he gets his instant full heal of.

I can see ShS/mut work out, but you will have to be the one with imp expose armor in the setup. Just hope that in the chaos when you open your buddy can find the chance to sneak up to the target you're slapping.

On a sidenote, the power of double stealth is NOT to be underestimated. Me and my pall usually spend ~10 seconds discussion our strategies while the other team frantically jumps around and AOE's.

Edited, Jul 13th 2008 5:51pm by Mozared

First of all me and my pall are Trolls. Second, there's no way in hell you're going to take down a resto druid and warrior with double rogue.

Need to learn how to get the shadowsight. Jumping the druid in stealth = you win.

If you can't burst down a druid with two rogues, you fail.

Druids usually start stealthed in cat form. If you can find him, you're a winer, because he won't have any HoT's on him. You shouldn't let the druid to shapeshift into bear. If he does, well, it's very hard finish him. You may want to switch to the other enemy and vanish-shs-cs on the druid when he's in caster form again.

Edited, Jul 13th 2008 5:10pm by arukomp

Edited, Jul 13th 2008 5:11pm by arukomp

Hide until shadowsight is up, drop stealth, grab it, then vanish.

Practice in skirmishes.

Great suggestion. The shadowsight vanish tip I love it. Theo, things like those are novice moves but make such a difference when you dont know them. If you check this threat again, I would suggest adding a "Useful Tip" section to your PVP guide (or something like it) that may just bullet point good ideas like those. Just reading your guide taught me the blind + vanish + sap combo that I wish I could say I would have found out myself but it is unlikely.

Stormstrike is one of the worst BGs.

If you're talking about full Vengeful right now in the 1600s, full Vengeful for Vengeance is 1500s. Glads/Duelists are spread at 1700-2k right now.

I was talking about during the regular season, moron.

I don't have to justify it. That might be me being generous, but being that I can solo to 1600 mid-season, I assumed that two rogues could actually get to 1600.

I doubt soloing is unheard of. I know a few other rogues who have tried soloing in arena, Revak, Raelie, Buddhist, and one or two others to name a few.

And I never said Akrios isn't a noteworthy rogue. I just see his videos as critporn. He doesn't put much arena in them (none at all in 7&8), though I still watch them for entertainment value.

He's definitely a good rogue; one of the best in the world. There are just better rogues out there to watch if you like arena.

He made one sub-par video IIRC.

It was pretty bad and featured a lot of him ganking undergeared scrubs in world PvP.

Edited, Jul 15th 2008 11:04pm by Theophany