Raiding gearFollow

It is easy, isn't it? I don't know how pointing out problems doesn't help people, but I guess I'm not as special as you.

You, however, managed to fail to tell him anything of value. Good job, ********

S2 gear is fine for kara; he never said pvp gear was good, merely that it was sufficient for Kara - and it is.

No, really. I guess if I were terrible enough to have to wait for free BT attunement and welfare 103 dps weapons to get anywhere I'd probably find it too challenging to do the massively difficult Karazhan instance without massively overgearing it, too.

Oh, and you know what else is lazy? Not enchanting your chest and enchanting a cloak with +50 armour. Also, grats on using a helm worse than the S2 pvp helm (I LOVE THE IRONY HERE) - here's a clue: NO ******* META GEM. Are you brain dead irl? Has the zombie war already started in your neck of the woods? I swear SOMETHING is up; no one could survive past age 4 and be stupid enough to call someone on being lazy and link to that armoury in their sig.

You should probably give up on being an internet badass; I know you want it badly but you;re godawful at it and WoW. Probably at life in general, too.

I might suggest that we rogues not lose sight of the end goal in PvE: sustained DPS. If you can consistently pump out the sustained damage needed for most raid instances (AND fulfill the interrupts, scouting, etc as needed), then it doesn't really matter how you do it. Of course certain stats are better, point-for-point, than other stats to increase sustained DPS in the PvE environment, but we needn't be slavishly pursuing specific stats without realizing their relation to the end goal OR ignoring other stats in a feverish drive to achieve an arbitrary number (no matter how awesome it is).

Your goal in PvE is damage and utility, not getting hit capped. Of course, being hit-capped helps, a lot. But it's only a means to an end.

With that said, PvP gear isn't meant for PvE content. It works, but no piece of PvP gear will be as efficient (for raid DPS) as a PvE-centric piece of the same item level. You "can" run Kara in s2 gear and do fine, but you can't possibly do as well as someone in t5 (the general iLevel equiv.). Blizzard made two differently focused item sets for a reason after all.

Back to specifics: While working on the ZA timers (third attempt, 2 down and almost got the third!), my group has noticed that the mobs in there are a bit harder to hit. When in my trash-clearing gear (hit ~300) there are more misses in my Recount reports where as they're aren't in Kara with the same gear. So I'd tend to lean toward more +hit than AP for preparing for ZA runs. With the armory I saw, I'd say run Kara in the gear you have and grab as many as the drops in there as you can. The cloak from Aran, the t4 hands (Curator) and head (Prince) as well as the boots (Moroes) and chest (ummmm, Nightbane?) should set you up very nicely for attempting ZA.

For learning about hit (the second question from the OP): Check out WowWiki's hit page.

Happy hunting.

*edit: Also of interest, a full clear of Kara is 22 badges. There's a ton of pretty awesome gear available for badges, look 'em up on Alla or WowHead. ;)

Edited, Jul 14th 2008 11:10am by TherionSaysWhat

the helm would take about 3 hours of your time, tbh. Grab the AV daily and hit AV on the right weekend and you'll have it in no time :) You could even go into the mines and kill pve beasts the whole time, for that matter.

And you know this...how?



I'm not as smart as the people at EJ sure...but clueless? Um...hardly, show me where I've been shown to be clueless. Not wrong on one point, but clueless. Because I highly doubt that you've never been wrong...



I already agreed with you on the enchants. But not getting the helm is a matter of me choosing not to do something that I hate. If I merely found it tedious I would agree, but I dislike PvP as a whole.

If the OP hated PvE than yes, it would be hypocritical. But thats not the case.

Edited, Jul 14th 2008 6:44pm by GodOfMoo

I never said S2 wasn't sufficient, I said PvP gear in PvE was worthless.



In which case I will retract my statement.



This was around...3 months ago I made this mistake. I've learned since then. But if you know a way to get a helm with a meta socket to drop for me than feel free to let me know.

...I completely forgot about that...looks like thats next on my list.

((assuming the spreadsheet confirms it, which it should))

*shrugs* Don't really care, like I said. I hate PvP. But I'll concede that you're right.

And just for reference, I've seen all of one group for H Hillsbrad on my server since I hit 70, I had the Helm of the Claw and got rid of it cause I'm an idiot, and I'm now working towards the Badge Helm. T.T I want to be playing WoW...(*is on vacation*)

Besides my helm and chest what is the S2 better than? I'm not trying to be a *******(this time), I'm honestly curious.