Quor wrote:
wow gaudion, you amaze me with your ability to avoid the obvious and focus on the irrelevant. one of the autistic kids i work with just read this thread and hes wondering how you can be so confused. thats not meant as an insult or anything, its just that when a kid who has problems bridging the thought-to-speech gap correctly thinks somebody else needs help....well, lets just say it flabbergasted me.
Really? 'Cause I'm sitting here with the Tooth Fairy and she says the same things about your posts.
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if melee is so strong now, and enh shaman are great melee enhancers, then they will do just fine because they enhance melee performance. this is one of those obvious things you ignored (that ive said...too many times to remember).
Wow. This generalized logic is so flawed I don't even know where to begin. I'll start with the obvious, the fact that melee is not a free pass to excellence. Cases in point, non-Subtlety Rogues, Feral Druids... oh,
Enhancement Shaman... To even begin to compare Enhancement Shaman to Rogues and Warriors is laughable at best. I don't think you're doing that though. I think you're falling back on you and Theo's tried and true method of referring to the Enhancement Shaman's inclusion in a 5v5 where they show up, drop WF, pop Heroism, and then pray to whatever god owes them a favor that they live long enough to cause some damage.
That sound about right?
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theyre already very anti-priest, thanks to earth shock and the ability to strip a priest naked, as well as a spammable anti-fear totem. that brings it up to two classes, which is one more than warriors get! (rogues are supposedly what we "hard" counter).
We? There is no "we", Quor. You don't spend any time playing an Enhancement Shaman in the arena, much less at any significant rating, that I am aware of. Also, I'm not sure if you've ever
seen an Enhancement Shaman try to take an equally-geared Disc Priest down... it's not
quite the fairly tale that some people make it out to be. The Purging process alone is
insufferably more difficult than point, click, defenseless Priest.
Rogues... mmm... really don't lose to Enhancement Shaman. Do they get hurt? Absolutely, if they just stand there and take it like a man. Lose? No, not without help, because Rogues don't just stand there and take it like men. One-on-one a Rogue dispatches an Enhancement Shaman
quite handily. By the way, if you're at all interested, I'm running Resto Shaman/Rogue at the moment and we've had both Enhancement Shaman + DPS and Enhancement Shaman + healer several times. We have yet to lose to a team containing an Enhancement Shaman.
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well, you can be better than the mage and interrupt his poly via well-timed G. totems and earth shocks, or you can whine about how blizzard beats you but you just keep going back because you know he doesnt mean it and hes had a hard time at work because theyve been introducing these computers that are supposed to make things more efficient and its causing layoffs and he really really didnt mean it because you know he loves you. i see youve made your decision already tho.
Or the Mage, presumably not deserted of his mental faculties will just kite you, and should you ever happen to corner him, just Ice Block through whatever remains of your un-snare-able period. But, hey, that's an improvement... at least Mages have a reason to Ice Block against a Shaman now.
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you *are* quite insane, because you seem to think an ability that costs 43 talent points needs to be as strong as one that costs 51 talent points. move SR up to a 51 point ability and give it a comparable uptime/downtime ratio (1:20) as bladestorm and berserk and youve got yourself a deal! but until such a time comes that you understand cost/power balance in terms of how they apply to talents, just stop, for the sake of the children.
We've already gone over how the cost/depth ratio is essentially moot. If you want to cling desperately to that card... Well, you go right ahead. I'm not arguing that one with you any further in front of the kids. They're scared already.
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incidentally, imp SR gives shaman a big edge against rogues. i see so many jokes about "cant do that while stunned" from shaman (like theyre the only class that has to deal with that) that i die a little inside even as i chuckle ruefully on the out. save your trinket for the blind and that rogue has 15 seconds of no way to stop you, every two minutes. well-timed pre-emptive use of SR can even nix the opener on rogues, forcing them to either waste it if its cheap shot or opt for another one such as garrote.
Save your trinket to make your 43-point talent worthwhile! Yay! You can feel great about this ability you'll never be using in a class you never play all you like. That's your God-given right. Me? I prefer not to smile on abilites that require such an excessive amount of attention to make worthwhile.
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who gives a damn about 2v2 and 3v3?
Oh, I dunno... I'm just going to go out on a huge limb here, but I'm guessing... maybe the people that play in 2v2 and 3v3? I mean... I dunno, if I wanted to stretch it even further I guess I
could bring up the fact that
all official tournaments, including MLG and
those run by Blizzard themselves take place in a 3v3 format, but... I mean, Christ, who cares about that worthless refuse, right?
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5's is the bracket where things are balanced around.
Says Blizzard. However, considering everything I "hinted" at just above here... mmm... I think
most people would probably disagree with you and say 3v3 is the most balanced.
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2's and 3's is about whos gimmick is better, and it always has been (and likely always will be). despite that, enh shaman do well now in 3's and will still likely do well in the xpac.
As I said, they'll more or less stay exactly the same. Why take an Enhancement Shaman along if an Elemental will be better though?
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same site ive seen referenced so often before. note the "lowest percentage" status hunters possess in every bracket.
Ok, first of all, they're tied with Pallies in one bracket there and in the middle in another... and second... that's... just... wrong, lol. 0% contain Hunters above 2200? I don't need a complex system of datamining or a census to know
that's not correct. And if
that's not correct, I can't really assume the rest of it is either.
Oh, and one more thing. Your site doesn't differentiate spec, at least not that I saw. Remember, we're comparing
DPS Shaman to Hunters. Or, well, at least you are. I was simply bringing up their talent placement. Shaman as a whole only garner a staggering mid-low percentage at best, in most cases barely higher than Hunters however low they may be, and the bracket in which they reach the highest representation is 2v2. You are flat-out in
denial if you don't concede those to be Resto/Warrior combos.
Edited, Jul 17th 2008 11:44pm by Gaudion
