The twist is... well, wait and see
I had/have (Blizzard situation tentative) a main 57 Tauren Druid. Loved the versatility. But I shudder at the thought of re-levelling a druid, even to the lowly level of 57.
I cannot live without heals. Tried it, ran back to my druid in tears.
So pally is the best second option? Have heals, better survivability that the old druid and what they lack in versatility they make up for in "I won't cry with frustration at another month spent at the crossroads."
Or am I wasting my time and should I go a priest/shaman?
I am aware I am probably speaking to the converted here, but hey, it's late at night and I thought to get the opinion of those who are wiser and older than I.
In theory at least.
Find the twist yourself :)
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Wayyyyy too confusing for my little mind.....I have no idea what you are asking or even really saying...
Maybe I'm too sober to understand - I'll check this again later tonight.
Maybe I'm too sober to understand - I'll check this again later tonight.
I am enjoying my Paly. He is my 'main-Alt' meaning the Alt I'm focused on.
I like him because my mage is so squishy - this is a totally new play style. Give your non-healers a chance. Take them to, say lvl 20 before dumping them. No class is 'defined' by lvl 20, but you get a good idea by that point. After working as a mage for so long, it took a while to fully (partially) understand the paly play style. I can't imagine how different it will be on the next toon...
Paladin, so far, has been slow leveling. I can live forever and that's good thing, because it takes just short of forever to do anything.
My opinion:
Warrior - Ok, but Paly seemed more dynamic
Mage - Main. Nuke things and die easy
Lock - Alt. Nuke things and die less
Hunter - Buying ammo sucked
Shammy - So what the hell does this guy actually do?
Priest - Cool, but Paly seemed more dynamic
Druid - Ok, so now I'm a cat.
Rogue - Next toon. Just so I can gank other people. I don't want to actually play - just gank people. (hahah)
Paly - Cross between Warrior and Priest. Dynamic, fun, good for grouping.
I like him because my mage is so squishy - this is a totally new play style. Give your non-healers a chance. Take them to, say lvl 20 before dumping them. No class is 'defined' by lvl 20, but you get a good idea by that point. After working as a mage for so long, it took a while to fully (partially) understand the paly play style. I can't imagine how different it will be on the next toon...
Paladin, so far, has been slow leveling. I can live forever and that's good thing, because it takes just short of forever to do anything.
My opinion:
Warrior - Ok, but Paly seemed more dynamic
Mage - Main. Nuke things and die easy
Lock - Alt. Nuke things and die less
Hunter - Buying ammo sucked
Shammy - So what the hell does this guy actually do?
Priest - Cool, but Paly seemed more dynamic
Druid - Ok, so now I'm a cat.
Rogue - Next toon. Just so I can gank other people. I don't want to actually play - just gank people. (hahah)
Paly - Cross between Warrior and Priest. Dynamic, fun, good for grouping.
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Wayyyyy too confusing for my little mind.....I have no idea what you are asking or even really saying...
sorry, re-word it for you ;)
why should I be a pally?
I reckon that if you want a hybrid and it's not a druid, you should go paladin. Pallies can do everything well, and they're fairly 'dynamic' I'd say. I could type a very long message here, but I'm just going to stick with "Paladins are warriors with heals, shamans are rogues/mages with bandage".
The only downside to paladin is that you aren't really allowed to DPS at higher levels. It's tank or heal. Ret at 70 is almost unheard of (yes, I know it happens on occasion, but not that often.)
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I have a 70 pally and 70 druid and to be honest, druid is boring up until 20. But druid is faster and a lot easier to level compared to a paladin (even if retribution). I leveled my druid as feral and paladin as retribution and druid can kill a lot faster than a ret paladin and virtually no downtown at all in between mobs. As a ret paladin, i killed slower and had to drink up after a few mobs. Not to mention that prowl made things a lot easier.
But once I hit 70, I enjoyed healing as a paladin more than a druid, especially in BG. In BGs, I just don't die. I loved leveling as a druid but after hitting 70 and getting pvp gear, I prefer my paladin.
But once I hit 70, I enjoyed healing as a paladin more than a druid, especially in BG. In BGs, I just don't die. I loved leveling as a druid but after hitting 70 and getting pvp gear, I prefer my paladin.
I thought this thread was about seal twisting....
The thing i've found about dpsing in lv 70 PVE: 5-man pugs, you wont be seeing much use, crowd control/pure dps classes are more favoured for smaller groups. The first thing you'll be asked is to heal/tank, if you want to go as dps, you're likely to be dropped without an explanation. It's happened to me a few times, very frustrating.
On the other hand. Join a decent guild, and ret is much more viable. With 10/25 people to buff in a raid, your prescence becomes incredibly useful. Doing competitive damage pretty much requires conscientious attention to your gear though. And remembering that you are there not just to deal damage, but to throw emergency heals, BoP the dps who pulled aggro, divine intervention, cleanse fear etc etc.
You can even use repentence and hammer of justice as extra CC. And on top of all this utility you bring, with a flawless ability rotation and attention, you should pump out competitive dps.
The thing i've found about dpsing in lv 70 PVE: 5-man pugs, you wont be seeing much use, crowd control/pure dps classes are more favoured for smaller groups. The first thing you'll be asked is to heal/tank, if you want to go as dps, you're likely to be dropped without an explanation. It's happened to me a few times, very frustrating.
On the other hand. Join a decent guild, and ret is much more viable. With 10/25 people to buff in a raid, your prescence becomes incredibly useful. Doing competitive damage pretty much requires conscientious attention to your gear though. And remembering that you are there not just to deal damage, but to throw emergency heals, BoP the dps who pulled aggro, divine intervention, cleanse fear etc etc.
You can even use repentence and hammer of justice as extra CC. And on top of all this utility you bring, with a flawless ability rotation and attention, you should pump out competitive dps.
I enjoyed the pally I had, hes at 70, and I wish I had made a druid instead. As it is now, I personally (some will agree some will not, its just an opinion) feel the paladin class is broken, especially from a PvP standpoint.
Ok so they can tank just fine, I think thats the best part about them save the fact that most people want a druid/warrior as their main tank besides 5-mans. Healing, they do great on the main tank but the lack of hot's makes any raid healing (and 5 man healing) a bit more troublesome.
So if you like PvE, paladin can be fun but your druid can do everything a paladin can do, but better in my humble opinion (and thats all it is). If you like pvp, stop now and do not make that paladin. The only viable PvP spec for paladins is ret now because prot never is (and never should be) and there isnt an easier team to beat than one with a holy paladin. Too easily CC and kick/cs ed out of their heals.
Ok so they can tank just fine, I think thats the best part about them save the fact that most people want a druid/warrior as their main tank besides 5-mans. Healing, they do great on the main tank but the lack of hot's makes any raid healing (and 5 man healing) a bit more troublesome.
So if you like PvE, paladin can be fun but your druid can do everything a paladin can do, but better in my humble opinion (and thats all it is). If you like pvp, stop now and do not make that paladin. The only viable PvP spec for paladins is ret now because prot never is (and never should be) and there isnt an easier team to beat than one with a holy paladin. Too easily CC and kick/cs ed out of their heals.
Sounds like you would enjoy a Shaman, but in all honestly (as to why you should roll a pally)...
Roll a Prot pally, and if by lvl 26 you don't see why you should roll a pally roll a shaman.
P.S. Read the stickys (FAQ espically) and then roll one to lvl 26 and decide.
I love my prot pally. Born prot, lvl'd prot, haven't changed once and it's still my favorite toon.
GL.
Roll a Prot pally, and if by lvl 26 you don't see why you should roll a pally roll a shaman.
P.S. Read the stickys (FAQ espically) and then roll one to lvl 26 and decide.
I love my prot pally. Born prot, lvl'd prot, haven't changed once and it's still my favorite toon.
GL.
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^ Agreed with him cept I would level prot to 35 and then judge :P
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The only downside to paladin is that you aren't really allowed to DPS at higher levels. It's tank or heal. Ret at 70 is almost unheard of (yes, I know it happens on occasion, but not that often.)
Please take no offense here, but this is no longer true. To be sure, we're talking about Kara - but I took my alt-alt Retribution Pally in there the other day for the "second half" (that is, Curator down and the rest still up).
Dressed purely in AH blues (with green, inappropriate trinks, and even a couple green items), she came in #4 on DPS - elevating that DPS was a Shaman in our group giving me WF, to be sure, that will have helped a fair bit.
But, IMO, Ret Paladins, since 2.3, can deal damage, and especially in Kara.
I'd agree, you still won't see many of us about - there's still a large stigma concerning Retribution Paladins, but it's no longer warranted based on my experience (fairly limited raiding though, so I can't comment past Kara).
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Roll a Prot pally, and if by lvl 26 you don't see why you should roll a pally roll a shaman.
I'd actually give it till level 34, or a little after, to be honest, you want to pick up Seal of Light, and have a chance to play with it a bit, handling multiple mobs and just burning them down before deciding a Pally isn't the right choice.
Edited, Jul 15th 2008 10:37am by Christhina
Edited, Jul 15th 2008 10:38am by Christhina
Christhina wrote:
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The only downside to paladin is that you aren't really allowed to DPS at higher levels. It's tank or heal. Ret at 70 is almost unheard of (yes, I know it happens on occasion, but not that often.)
Please take no offense here, but this is no longer true. To be sure, we're talking about Kara - but I took my alt-alt Retribution Pally in there the other day for the "second half" (that is, Curator down and the rest still up).
Dressed purely in AH blues (with green, inappropriate trinks, and even a couple green items), she came in #4 on DPS - elevating that DPS was a Shaman in our group giving me WF, to be sure, that will have helped a fair bit.
But, IMO, Ret Paladins, since 2.3, can deal damage, and especially in Kara.
I'd agree, you still won't see many of us about - there's still a large stigma concerning Retribution Paladins, but it's no longer warranted based on my experience (fairly limited raiding though, so I can't comment past Kara).
I don't think anyone here seriously comments anymore about Ret pallies in 25-man raids. There is definitely a spot for one (but still little to no need for two).
As for Kara, you had an advantage that many/most Rets don't have: a guild that accepts your alt-alt. They already knew and liked you as a person, which is an obstacle imho for many Rets.
Where the "stigma" really hurts though, is in lvl 70 5-man instances. It's a stigma that's not exclusive to Rets, however, as many people don't want to group for those instances with Boomkin, DPS Warriors, DPS Shammies, or even Shadow Priests due to their perceived lack of crowd control.
More on topic, has ANYONE figured out yet what the OP's "twist" was supposed to be?
HoyadinFTW wrote:
More on topic, has ANYONE figured out yet what the OP's "twist" was supposed to be?
I just had Taco Bell, so ... cinnamon twists maybe? o.O
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