I had a lower-level Paladin in my guild ask this yesterday, and I know almost nothing about macros, so I thought that I would ask here.
The guy wanted to know if there was a way to write a macro that was essentially on a 10-minute timer to check everyone's buffs in a group and re-buff them at least semi-automatically (which I do not think is possible, but it could be); or alternatively, he wanted to be able to write a macro where he could just click one button every 10 minutes and re-buff a whole party.
I told him that i thought that this would be either (A) complicated due to the changing nature of parties (unless he had a set 5-man that always went together)-- or (B) impossible.
Any ideas for him? If this information is already available somewhere, I would appreciate a pointer in the right direction... am on lunch break and did not have time to research it for him myself.
Thanks!
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Just have him get PallyPower from Curse.
It does pretty much what you're talking about and is a very good add-on. You can set buffs according to class, coordinate buffs from multiple paladins, and it shows timers for the buffs. It's really easy to use.
It does pretty much what you're talking about and is a very good add-on. You can set buffs according to class, coordinate buffs from multiple paladins, and it shows timers for the buffs. It's really easy to use.
I second Pally Power.
The low-tech solution is to buff yourself first and then buff the rest of the party/raid. Your buff will normally expire shortly before theirs, giving you a brief interval to rebuff everyone and make it look like you're staying on top of things. If someone dies, you rebuff them immediately and then rebuff their class again at the end of the ten-minute cycle when you rebuff the rest of the raid. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for a Paladin to be stingy with Greater Blessings.
It also helps to check the box in your Interface settings to "Show Buff Durations" if you haven't already done so. It sure beats eyeballing the icon and trying to figure what fraction of it is shading.
It also helps to check the box in your Interface settings to "Show Buff Durations" if you haven't already done so. It sure beats eyeballing the icon and trying to figure what fraction of it is shading.
Thanks to all of the responders. I will be sure to suggest PallyPower to him (as well as trying it out for myself!)
I am technically still a newb, and when it comes to macros and add-ons I am a complete nOOb! I somehow made it to 60 without any significant macros or add-ons, but I think it is time for me to start doing some serious investigation both for myself and for the lower-level members of the guild that I am in.
Thanks again!
I am technically still a newb, and when it comes to macros and add-ons I am a complete nOOb! I somehow made it to 60 without any significant macros or add-ons, but I think it is time for me to start doing some serious investigation both for myself and for the lower-level members of the guild that I am in.
Thanks again!
You don't really need any macros or addons until 70. At 70 is when you need those split-second reaction times and macros/addons can really make the difference there. Before 70, it can help if you know them and can use them, but they aren't nearly as necessary as they are at end-game.
I hate to be repetitive, but it really is worth it that much - Pally Power I mean. I resisted using it because I felt it was important not to put everything on easy-mode. My loss.
I managed the five-mans with the "buff yourself first" trick, and somehow also managed Kara, but the 25-mans were just impossible to keep up with and I got tired of hearing people on vent saying "so-and-so (their toon's name) needs kings."
After using Pally Power the first time, I realized that I really hadn't been managing Kara all that well, after all. And it leaves you free to concentrate on other more important things (like making the priest say "I hate you!" by pointing out to her that you hardly used any mana on that last fight).
The thing I really love about it is sorting the buff assignments before the raid starts and then setting up Pally Power, and not having to worry again about who is giving what to whom. One of us just goes ahead and sets it up for all of us - no muss, no fuss.
I managed the five-mans with the "buff yourself first" trick, and somehow also managed Kara, but the 25-mans were just impossible to keep up with and I got tired of hearing people on vent saying "so-and-so (their toon's name) needs kings."
After using Pally Power the first time, I realized that I really hadn't been managing Kara all that well, after all. And it leaves you free to concentrate on other more important things (like making the priest say "I hate you!" by pointing out to her that you hardly used any mana on that last fight).
The thing I really love about it is sorting the buff assignments before the raid starts and then setting up Pally Power, and not having to worry again about who is giving what to whom. One of us just goes ahead and sets it up for all of us - no muss, no fuss.
"the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
Hermann Goering, April 1946.
Hermann Goering, April 1946.
Bump for PallyPower! Any level 70 Paladin that does any raiding at all (Kara included) and doesn't have this addon is a failure: and I tell them such too =P
cynyck wrote:
I hate to be repetitive, but it really is worth it that much - Pally Power I mean. I resisted using it because I felt it was important not to put everything on easy-mode. My loss.
I don't think of Pally Power as putting anything on easy mode per se. Rather, managing pally blessings is already extraordinarily simple, and it mildly bothers me that I'm in a raid with some serious lunkheads that can't figure out who/what/when to bless. People tell you that you "have to have Pally Power" and I think, wow, we must have a terrible reputation as a class. Why doesn't someone script up "Hunter Power" at some point and give the raid leader/raid assistants the ability to turn off Aspect of the Pack at will? How much effort ought to be expended on curing the stupid?
I'm not saying that Pally Power is FOR the stupid, at all, just that I am resistant to a tool that so effectively covers up the stupidity of those alongside me.
cynyck wrote:
I managed the five-mans with the "buff yourself first" trick, and somehow also managed Kara, but the 25-mans were just impossible to keep up with and I got tired of hearing people on vent saying "so-and-so (their toon's name) needs kings."
The 25-mans only make the dysfunction more self-evident, I don't think they're responsible for making it any more complicated. Contrary to popular opinion, more pallies in the raid make it easier to buff, not harder.
Assuming you have at least two pallies in the raid (e.g., typical for Kara and ZA) assign one of them GBoK for the entire raid. He or she is expected to keep it up on everybody continuously. If "so-and-so needs kings" at any point, then it is JoeBob's fault. Failing at this is little different then a mage whining "I didn't realize that 'moon' was going to be my sheep icon the entire raid" (and no one would put up with that level of defect!!!).
Where the problems really emerge is when people lose buffs. If a rogue dies sometime during the pull and gets rezzed, he needs to be rebuffed. So rebuff all the rogues! It's worrisome when I see "buffers" -- I really am focussing on healers -- who don't realize when someone in the raid has died... it really ought to make you wonder what else is taking place on the screen that they're missing (hint: they're likely the ones not Cleansing de-buffs either).
The reagent costs less than 1s50c, so bring 100 to a 10-man and 200 to a 25-man. Rebuff whenever there's a bio break. Rebuff whenever anyone mentions a one-hit wonder from the 80s. Rebuff whenever anyone mentions Finland. You do not need to conserve Symbols of Kings. You are not going to blow through more than 5g worth of blessings in a single raid night.
cynyck wrote:
After using Pally Power the first time, I realized that I really hadn't been managing Kara all that well, after all. And it leaves you free to concentrate on other more important things (like making the priest say "I hate you!" by pointing out to her that you hardly used any mana on that last fight).
The thing I really love about it is sorting the buff assignments before the raid starts and then setting up Pally Power, and not having to worry again about who is giving what to whom. One of us just goes ahead and sets it up for all of us - no muss, no fuss.
You make a good case for giving Pally Power a try. If it can stop a POS Pally from overwriting my Greater Blessing, realizing that he violated the Blessing assignments and then surreptitiously casting the Blessing he was originally assigned, overwriting yet another set of buffs (and making it look I've done jack!), then I should give it a shot. I still don't especially like the thought of turning over my buffs to someone with that mentality though.
I apologize for the length of the post (still shorter than the original one in my head) but when I'm called a lvl 70 failure I imagine I should fess up to it o.O
HoyadinFTW wrote:
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Well, I'm not really sure what to say. I certainly did not call you a failure, though. And how does using it mean you don't know who/what/when to bless? It's a tool to use to streamline what is otherwise a rather inefficient way to spend your time.
I'm not sure your analogy (Hunter Power) is a good one. What does the raid leader have to do with Pally Power, and how often during a raid do you have to deal with aspect of the pack - if at all? Maybe I missed your point, maybe you were trying to say its so simple, like turning off AoP, that an add-on is not necessary?
There's a lot to keep up with in a 25-man and I was being facetious about having more time to **** the priest off. Before I started using Pally Power, I had to go through the entire raid looking for at least one person of each class to make sure everyone got buffed. Often I knew that someone died and was rezzed but not who, and then I have to ask in raid chat or look at each person individually. Not with Pally Power - the class icon turns red. Am I a "lunkhead" because with all I'm concentrating on during the fight I didn't make a mental note of who died? I use Grid, and once someone is dead it no longer shows the first few letters of their name, it says DEAD. Maybe I shouldn't be using Grid either?
Also, as you say, if there are enough Pallies then sure everyone gets Kings, everyone gets Salv, everyone gets Wisdom, and so on. However, when there are only two or three of us then one of us has to go around giving either Salv, Wisdom, Might, or Light as it applies and when that's been me it takes a bit to get through the buffing sequence. Not because it's too complicated for me, but because it's time consuming.
I've had situations where I was holding up the raid because I was still trying to buff myself (elixirs and well-fed). I've been called by the GL because I didn't have my well-fed (she checks for that), and that put me in the position of having to explain that I was buffing the raid and was about to sit and eat - and if you're explaining you're losing. With Pally Power, nine clicks in rapid succession buffs everyone. In fact, I'm pretty sure if I played with it I could have it buff everyone with one click, or even automatically.
I usually keep 300 SoK on me at all times as I agree that they cost nothing and once in a while someone will forget to top off and need some.
So, I think you missed the point. It's not that Pally Power makes assigning the buffs easier, it's that it makes administering them faster. We still need to assign them.
"the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
Hermann Goering, April 1946.
Hermann Goering, April 1946.
cynyck wrote:
So, I think you missed the point. It's not that Pally Power makes assigning the buffs easier, it's that it makes administering them faster. We still need to assign them.
QFT.
At the moment, my guild is starting to dip our toes into ZA, so every fight there is progression. It's not uncommon to have a Warrior tank /and/ a Warrior DPS plus a Druid tank /and/ a boomkin. And all three healers are pallies. It's still a headache to make sure each class gets all their auras (esp. the toons who get lesser auras different from the rest of their class with greater auras) - when we're not just wiping dramatically but also losing one in one fight here, three in another fight there. Just much less of a headache than if we were collaborating the old-fashioned way.
NOTE: I know our lineup is not optimal. We can't bring toons that don't exist, so we bring what we have...
@cynyck-
Many apologies for confusing you. I know you didn't call me a failure (Maulgak did) but I replied to your post because it actually had interesting things to say bout Pally Power rather than the typical "Rawr Pally Power, make easy even easier" claims. Which leads to
Yes, I have missed the point. Everything I know about Pally Power comes from their self description on Curse and the grunts I've heard from other raiders and has always focused on multi-paladin blessing coordination. I was firmly under the impression that the addon is designed to put everyone's buffing functions under the control of a single buff-master. Which, per my TLDR post above, seems like a fix for something that shouldn't ever be a problem.
What you just described now, an addon whose primary function is the ability to manage your own buffs and rebuff the entire raid in seconds, sounds like
A) the exact answer to the OP (as AZwing replied immediately)
B) something that more people should want, and
C) something very different than how Pally Power "markets" itself.
I apologize again if you thought I was picking a fight with you, when in reality, I was acknowledging that I should give Pally Power a try, and now thanks to your reply, I have been fairly convinced of the merits of the program and fully intend to begin using it without hesitation.
Thank you.
Also, FYI, my favorite part was when you made fun of the holy priest.
Many apologies for confusing you. I know you didn't call me a failure (Maulgak did) but I replied to your post because it actually had interesting things to say bout Pally Power rather than the typical "Rawr Pally Power, make easy even easier" claims. Which leads to
Yes, I have missed the point. Everything I know about Pally Power comes from their self description on Curse and the grunts I've heard from other raiders and has always focused on multi-paladin blessing coordination. I was firmly under the impression that the addon is designed to put everyone's buffing functions under the control of a single buff-master. Which, per my TLDR post above, seems like a fix for something that shouldn't ever be a problem.
What you just described now, an addon whose primary function is the ability to manage your own buffs and rebuff the entire raid in seconds, sounds like
A) the exact answer to the OP (as AZwing replied immediately)
B) something that more people should want, and
C) something very different than how Pally Power "markets" itself.
I apologize again if you thought I was picking a fight with you, when in reality, I was acknowledging that I should give Pally Power a try, and now thanks to your reply, I have been fairly convinced of the merits of the program and fully intend to begin using it without hesitation.
Thank you.
Also, FYI, my favorite part was when you made fun of the holy priest.
blah, you guys have it easy with your 10 minute blessings and 30 minute greater blessings.
edit: and 25 mans! psh.
Edited, Jul 11th 2008 3:36pm by KTurner
edit: and 25 mans! psh.
Edited, Jul 11th 2008 3:36pm by KTurner
If you are a pally and in Kara or beyond and don't have pally power I loathe you.
If you are not smart enough to realize what an incredibly important tool it is for groups with multiple paladins then you are probably horrible.
If you are not smart enough to realize what an incredibly important tool it is for groups with multiple paladins then you are probably horrible.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
HoyadinFTW wrote:
@cynyck-
I apologize again if you thought I was picking a fight with you
I apologize again if you thought I was picking a fight with you
Don't be silly. I'm too old to worry about things like that. Most of the time when someone is, it goes right over my head.
KTurner, Pie Eating Champion wrote:
blah, you guys have it easy with your 10 minute blessings and 30 minute greater blessings.
edit: and 25 mans! psh.
Edited, Jul 11th 2008 3:36pm by KTurner
edit: and 25 mans! psh.
Edited, Jul 11th 2008 3:36pm by KTurner
You're a nut. And your posts and avatars always entertain me, when they don't enlighten me.
bodhisattva wrote:
If you are a pally and in Kara or beyond and don't have pally power I loathe you.
If you are not smart enough to realize what an incredibly important tool it is for groups with multiple paladins then you are probably horrible.
If you are not smart enough to realize what an incredibly important tool it is for groups with multiple paladins then you are probably horrible.
You're another nut. And I've learned more from your posts about Pally healing than from the next two posters combined.
"the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
Hermann Goering, April 1946.
Hermann Goering, April 1946.
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