Prot raid specFollow

i made this spec to see if i could maximize threat and still keep great mitigation:
40/21

my thoughts were:
-drop Anticipation. my gear covers my 490 and then some.
-drop Reckoning. high avoidance makes this negligable.
-drop Ardent Defender. though i like this talent alot, more reliable mitigation is nicer.
-drop Avenger's Shield. more of a toy in raids, MD works fine otherwise.

-take imp SotC for the raid buff. Ret pally need not apply.
-take PoJ for the spell avoidance + run speed is nice.
-take Crusade for constant threat increase.
-take Sanc aura for kickassness.

i feel this build would keep the dmg reduction but make the tankadin a threat beast, enough to rival a druid on single targets. this would also be killer for OTing and maintaining complete threat control. thoughts?

I posted a similar build, but it's been bumped down to page 2 now:

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=2;mid=1213934445116965298;num=4;page=1

if you want to read that and get some reactions. I haven't tried that or any similar build yet, but I might for kicks and giggles sometime. Mostly been working on my Shaman cause my Paladin is at a gear-stall ...

What I kindof got from reading some of those threads was that you shouldn't think about using a threat spec until late Tier 5/into Tier 6: is that accurate? Been thinking about trying a threat build in ZA to see if we can shave off the last 3 mins needed for a bear mount, but at the same time of increasing my threat output, I don't' want to be taking more damage then my healers are able to handle.

I'm gonna try to pay closer attention to how often I go into the AD zone and see if taking this threat spec into ZA with the healers we use would be worthwhile or not.

probably my biggest grief over AD isnt from large spike dmg ignoring the ability, but more due to the reactiveness of the healers. personally i'll see either alot of topping off heals on me or alot of big heals hit when i'm close to 50%. maybe im being naive or ignorant. i just dont see AD being as effective as it sounds. obviously you are going to remember the times that it DID save your ***. but how many times did it NOT? how many times could you have used more consistent mitigation instead? how many times would a preemptive heal been more effective? im a huge fan of spamming smaller heals and i think as a tank i sometimes expect my MH to do the same. however, im probably in the minority when it comes to this.

the one awesome thing about AD is the ability to control incoming spell dmg as well as physical. this is probably huge when aoe tanking, since to mobs will hit faster and for less. also aoe dmg tend to come from all directions, not always in block range. i would be curious to see the real effect on dropping AD fully.

That's the "Worldi" spec @ the Maintankadin community. The pros and cons have been kicked around and discussed there for quite a while now.

I took a look at it myself. I found that it did give a bit of a threat boost but all things considered I wasn't happy with what I had to give up to achieve that. Factor in that on the vast majority of occasions we bring a token Ret pally with us and it's a total waste for me. Those raid leaders who can't justify bringing another good/mediocre DPSer (can generally compete well with Shadow Priests) for a significant boost in raid performance are missing something. How are Hunters even able to DPS without JoWis being renewed either by 2 pallies whacking at the target or a Crusader Strike?

its easier and far less complicated to bring a Ret pally for everything you are trying to do with a 40/21 build.

and when you actually do bring a Ret pally, your whole plan is essentially wasted. Also, that build would limit somewhat, the area of tanking that Paladins are designed for.

i want to say you should know your place as a Pally tank and do what its good at, but i cant really say much as a Ret pally now can i. ^.-

and at least there is something new and origanal on these boards to talk about. even bamninja posts no longer entertain me. . .

There are a core group of people @ Maintankadin who support that build. Generally everyone else has some oppinion against it.

I get more value out of the talented Defense than out of any other talents the way I play. Even if it's not for avoidence, in some setups it allows me to itemize for things other than Defense. I consider it valuable.

A boss hitting for 10k is pretty light though. After sucessfully solo tanking Halazzi's 18k (20ish when he's buffed) swipes a couple times and making Warrior's jaws drop when the Paladin tank in Heroic/Spell Damage gear is pushing 18k unbuffed HP it hits that the REAL reason to use different tanking classes is because of the inherant vulnerabilities (or lack thereof) of certain mobs/bosses to the abilities of one of the classes and not the amount of damage they deal (in most cases).

I see a use in the 40/21 spec, and I know a very successful Paladin (Worldi, mod @ Maintankadin as I mentioned before) who runs with it -- but it's just not advantageous to me. We're lucky that we've been running with a reliable & consistent Ret since we started Hyjal -- we didn't have to try and find one for SPLAT25 like many other guilds did. And the ones that REFUSE to bring one? Well.. the first three bosses are jokes for a reason.