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Shadow Dance looks really dumb.

Not taking Lust for Blood? 51 pt assassination talent looks nice, that essentially replaces cloak for everything that's not poison and doesn't cause you to lose control of your character. But I'm sure we'll see how everything works out once WotLK is actually live... theorycrafting can never replace actual testing.

Yeah, actually, that's a good idea RP, thanks.

As far as your PvE build goes, I'd drop 2 of the 3 points in Imp Evis into Lethality, then drop the last one in Imp Poisons.

And yeah, that's pretty much my assessment of Shadow Dance. It'd be nice for dropping back into stealth to Sap someone (I can see people timing it so they come out of stealth with their dots and going back in after it ticks), ShS to another and re-open, but tbh that'd mainly be for a healer/rogue team in 2s, where I think Imp KS, FF, and CB would help out a lot for a mage/rogue setup.

A lot of people are creaming their pants about sub daggers, but I really just can't see it. Mutilate will be so much stronger for daggers.

Edit: and this is the first time a lot of people have seen the talents laid out and could play with specs. I've been playing in Alpha for weeks now so it didn't help me, but for people that haven't been in Alpha it's pretty big.

Edited, Jul 9th 2008 11:07pm by Theophany

i think shadow dance + ambush is only going to be good with slaughter from the shadows. from the looks of it youll get four new openers, one at the use of the ability and the other three at 3, 6 and 9 seconds in. start off with a garrote, then lay in with three ambushes at 45 energy apiece. obviously youd need full energy to start with this, but with SftS and natural energy regen youd have enough to crank out a full four ambushes if you timed it right.

even with resilience affecting ambush the way it is, thats still a LOT of damage. whether it trumps imp KS or not is hard to say, but even solo a rogue has the CC (blind) to keep a healer down while shadow dancing.

FTFY

I don't see Cut to the Chase being a very good talent in PvE; it requires a crit to keep SnD going. If you don't crit, your SnD falls off and you lose significant DPS.

Combat will still be stronger in terms of DPS, IMO.

What, really? It essentially reads as "hey look, free Envenom/Evisc (again) if you crit!)". It's also worth mentioning that you could sub in lower-CP Eviscerates looking for a crit and still get that nifty 5-point SnD.

I do agree Combat probably isn't losing its dominance though, at least unless removing Bleed effects is going to be common.

Yeah, I thought that. It's a shame Evisc won't have as high a crit chance as Mutilate, but still, you'll have like 40% crit raidbuffed - maybe more. Evisc damage is going to be much better in WotlK, too.

The only thing that troubles me about combat is that the only good new PvE talent is Prey on the Weak.

I think DW spec will still be worth it - it's just too good to pass up.

Sorry. Double Post.

Edited, Jul 10th 2008 12:11pm by richterlevania

http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=f0ebRjGsiMoAbctGzV0b

is the first build i had my eyes on.... it seems very interesting considering the on-demand disarm we get at 75

more of a utility pvp build rather then 'rogue is are dps!' but it seems interesting as hell (yes i know, mutilate would do it way better, but thats not how i roll :P)

that 51 assassination is too good to pass up atm, and since i wont be mutilate... basically playin ret-pally role (ish) which is a nice thing to have

prob would 2v2 with a warlock for that build... since it isnt shadowstep, but its gonna be hard as hell to stop without crippling poison or spamstring

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for pve, ill prob just go seal fate fists... since you can go all the way to 41 combat and get max SF.... wont be topping meters but it works enough for me



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edit: shadow dance i see being very useful for weapon swap hemo/ambush.... with that sub talent that makes your ambush reduce move speed as a physical effect, and PREVENTS ITEM USE for 8 seconds, if that includes a pvp trinket, ambush garrote cs ambush could be good at hell for clothies and healers


Edited, Jul 10th 2008 12:36pm by mongoosexcore

Trying to bring back Combat Maces maybe?

I know we are not druids, but what do you all think about them(*their wotlk talents)? They seem to be stealing rogue moves.....and camo for hunters. Rogues dont seem nearly as unique anymore.

why? cuz i hate dagger playstyle with a furious passion

mutilate was all-ri-gh-t for raiding kara when i was bored of combat, but daggers for pvp? no thanks

im probably switching to a priest for a serious main (did you see the new disc ****!?) and gonna be transferring my rogue to the fun zone

playing to keep up FW and using that buff thing, while stacking crit and not having positioning requirements is F U N

the best? not by a long shot

but then again, ive done a LOT of fun builds before xpac, and i did a lot of fun ones during xpac

this will be my new new fun one (assuming those talents dont get nerfed) as it has a pretty strong chance of not being that bad for pve (the 5% buff talent stacked x3 + find weakness off low pt finishers + cheap evis crit attempts might make decent pve damage) while being fun and at least okay for pvp

then again, i can beat a good 50% of the people i fight with just 2 points in imp SS and some cooldowns

so, shrug... no serious arena = good stuff for me ^_^

Interesting build Makaro.
Playing around a bit with what you came up with this is what I'd pick as mutilate raiding;
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=f0efoeMoiMoVbsp0eV0bV

Ironically enough that wouldn't be too bad for PvP either.

Now all we need is subtlety raiding...