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You haven't said what spec you are but since you mention the Earthwarden I'm going to guess feral tank?
If so your first buy should be the Idol of Terror, since there isn't really any other tanking idol in the game currently and it's only 20 badges.
After that Slikk cloak of Placation is probably best and very difficult to replace. By the time you've got the badges for both of those you should have Earthwarden. What you get next will depend on what drops you get, the ring with armor is a good choice as those are fairly rare, but once in Kara Aran drops one and you get the rep ring from there too.
If so your first buy should be the Idol of Terror, since there isn't really any other tanking idol in the game currently and it's only 20 badges.
After that Slikk cloak of Placation is probably best and very difficult to replace. By the time you've got the badges for both of those you should have Earthwarden. What you get next will depend on what drops you get, the ring with armor is a good choice as those are fairly rare, but once in Kara Aran drops one and you get the rep ring from there too.
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For trinkets you are stuffed tbh, I don't think there are decent badge ones. You'll want the drop off of Moroes (try and convince any warrior you're with that they don't need it as much as you do in advance). Also a badge of tenacity, be prepared to drop a huge wad of cash one one of those, but they can't be beat.
The other trinket option is the commendation of Kael from heroic MgT. If you're an engineer/jewelcrafter you have other trinket options.
you're right about the cloak not being a huge upgrade, and if you don't need it bypass it for now, but it is the best available so you won't be updating it. The other cheap badge gear is upgradeable via higher level badge gear, since I spent a lot fo tiem in Kara and thats a badgefest, I just bypassed the lower teir and got the better stuff. Your mileage will vary depending on what your guild is doing.
As you logged in your kitty gear I'm not sure which other slots need upgrading or how.
The other trinket option is the commendation of Kael from heroic MgT. If you're an engineer/jewelcrafter you have other trinket options.
you're right about the cloak not being a huge upgrade, and if you don't need it bypass it for now, but it is the best available so you won't be updating it. The other cheap badge gear is upgradeable via higher level badge gear, since I spent a lot fo tiem in Kara and thats a badgefest, I just bypassed the lower teir and got the better stuff. Your mileage will vary depending on what your guild is doing.
As you logged in your kitty gear I'm not sure which other slots need upgrading or how.
Wow, we're in VERY much the same boat, Kawai...except I'm the big bear butt you see just a couple rungs up the ladder. Sorry about the view. I grabbed Idol of Terror with my first set of badges, and I love having one piece of gear that's the same as the leet T6 tanks almost as I love the agility boost itself. (actually, two pieces since I bought me some boots of natural grace last night!) I now have 20ish badges and am working for more in any heroic, with a preference toward anything Coilfang to finish off CE rep for my Earthwarden (two more runs left!!!)
I have a similar subpar cloak. I'm locked in at one ring slot with the increasingly awesome violet signet from Kara and a decent poor man's second in iron band of the unbreakable.
So as has been pointed out, Idol of Terror is your first grab, no doubt about it. It procs all the time giving you a very consistent increase to ap+crit in cat form and dodge_crit in bear form. You will NOT be dissapointed.
From there you and I have tough decisions to make. You know all this from Emmerald's list, of course, but I'll net out the options as I've got them organized in my head.
Ring of Unyielding Force is SO tempting because it's a kickass ring for just 25 badges, but it's a bit of a red herring because the best in game tanking Stalwart Protector ring awaits at 60 badges.
Then at the cloak slot there Slikk's Cloak which is admittedly a steal at 35 badges, but there's some excellent and theoretically (i.e. capacitus HATES me) easily-available placeholders off first boss in regular or heroic Mech, mid-Kara/Illhoof, and last boss of regular MgT.
I'm going to be bear-y patient and save 60 badges for the best tanking ring in the game, and to get me by until I re-save up for Slikk's cloak I'll run MgT when the opportunity arises for a shot at the cloak I really want, and one of these days I'll con guildies into farming that ******* Capacitus on regular until he drops my cloak.
I have a similar subpar cloak. I'm locked in at one ring slot with the increasingly awesome violet signet from Kara and a decent poor man's second in iron band of the unbreakable.
So as has been pointed out, Idol of Terror is your first grab, no doubt about it. It procs all the time giving you a very consistent increase to ap+crit in cat form and dodge_crit in bear form. You will NOT be dissapointed.
From there you and I have tough decisions to make. You know all this from Emmerald's list, of course, but I'll net out the options as I've got them organized in my head.
Ring of Unyielding Force is SO tempting because it's a kickass ring for just 25 badges, but it's a bit of a red herring because the best in game tanking Stalwart Protector ring awaits at 60 badges.
Then at the cloak slot there Slikk's Cloak which is admittedly a steal at 35 badges, but there's some excellent and theoretically (i.e. capacitus HATES me) easily-available placeholders off first boss in regular or heroic Mech, mid-Kara/Illhoof, and last boss of regular MgT.
I'm going to be bear-y patient and save 60 badges for the best tanking ring in the game, and to get me by until I re-save up for Slikk's cloak I'll run MgT when the opportunity arises for a shot at the cloak I really want, and one of these days I'll con guildies into farming that ******* Capacitus on regular until he drops my cloak.
dcushley wrote:
For trinkets you are stuffed tbh, I don't think there are decent badge ones. You'll want the drop off of Moroes (try and convince any warrior you're with that they don't need it as much as you do in advance). Also a badge of tenacity, be prepared to drop a huge wad of cash one one of those, but they can't be beat.The other trinket option is the commendation of Kael from heroic MgT. If you're an engineer/jewelcrafter you have other trinket options.
If you aren't lucky with Moroes' pocketwatch (I'm 0-fer-7 or so by now) or if you want to build a stamina set for certain situations, there's two other trinket options worth mentioning:
dcushley wrote:
you're right about the cloak not being a huge upgrade, and if you don't need it bypass it for now, but it is the best available so you won't be updating it.
Wait, are you saying you don't think Slikk's Cloak is much of an upgrade over his Bogstrok Scale cloak? It is indeed, imho, but it's not as much of an upgrade over the thoriumweave, gilded thorium, or blade turning cloaks that he and I should be able to get our hands on pretty easily. Maybe that's what you meant?
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Since you aren't logged out in your tanking gear (or at least I hope that isn't your tanking gear), I'll just go by what would be good upgrades for your average just-starting-heroics tank.
As others have mentioned the below items are great for any bear tank and will last you awhile or in some cases forever (or at least untill WotLK releases). A solid progression of items would be:
Idol of Terror
Stalwart Protector Ring
Slikk's Cloak of Placation
The ring and trinket are things that will not be replaced. There are other great cloaks available in the game so the cloak listed can be substituted for another item.
A great resource for any feral druid is Emerald's List: http://www.emmerald.net/Bear_Mitigation/Head.html . It will give you a full list of druid tanking gear with weights to give you an idea of where it stacks up with other gear choices.
As others have mentioned the below items are great for any bear tank and will last you awhile or in some cases forever (or at least untill WotLK releases). A solid progression of items would be:
Idol of Terror
Stalwart Protector Ring
Slikk's Cloak of Placation
The ring and trinket are things that will not be replaced. There are other great cloaks available in the game so the cloak listed can be substituted for another item.
A great resource for any feral druid is Emerald's List: http://www.emmerald.net/Bear_Mitigation/Head.html . It will give you a full list of druid tanking gear with weights to give you an idea of where it stacks up with other gear choices.
Treehands wrote:
As others have mentioned the below items are great for any bear tank and will last you awhile or in some cases forever (or at least untill WotLK releases).
As with most things WotLK, I'm just playing the game as if the xpack is a dot on the horizon, not taking it into consideration yet. At what point do y'all think it makes sense to start holding off on purchases, though? I'm still blowing gold, honor and badges to gear up as aggressively as I can, but at some point spending 1000+ gold on something like Belt of Natural Power, or 60 badges on the Stalwart ring--both of which will be replaced by some easily-attainable level 72 "Northrend Green"--is going to be a bad idea, right?
It's a personal call, I guess, just looking for logic to help me make mine.
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As with most things WotLK, I'm just playing the game as if the xpack is a dot on the horizon, not taking it into consideration yet. At what point do y'all think it makes sense to start holding off on purchases, though? I'm still blowing gold, honor and badges to gear up as aggressively as I can, but at some point spending 1000+ gold on something like Belt of Natural Power, or 60 badges on the Stalwart ring--both of which will be replaced by some easily-attainable level 72 "Northrend Green"--is going to be a bad idea, right?
It's a personal call, I guess, just looking for logic to help me make mine.
It's a personal call, I guess, just looking for logic to help me make mine.
Right now I have no issue spending badges and gold to gear myslef as best as possible. I'm currently in a raiding guild attempting to slug our through content. We are currently working on Vashj and Kael. Because I'm still activiely working on progression I think spending gold and badges on gear is worthwhile, despite the immenent expansion.
I think at some point I might stop spending gold to save up for the grind to 80. But I don't think I would stop spending badges. This is entirely assupmtion but I figure that in WotLK Badges of Justice will be worth nothing. So I figure I might as well spend them on whatever I can.
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Dude, it's WotLK talk...speculation is the rule!!!
That said I like to get my "facts" from blogs and not forum chatter, so this blog post at wowinsider caught my eye. It discusses what some Blizz guy said in some official thing called Blizzcast that I'm not familiar with.
It seems that the badge system will continue to exist but "evolve" to feature more stratification, as in types of badges, so you can't get T9 loot by running T4 content ad nauseum. The post contains a lot more detail than that, and the guys thoughts on the pros and cons, and other info. It's a good read...as long as you like speculation.
Here's the bloggers thoughts on the system:
"I'm a little ambivalent on the stratifying idea, actually. Currently, someone running heroics or Karazhan can, eventually, get best-in-slot or near-best-in-slot items like the Crossbow of Relentless Strikes or the Adorned Supernal Leggings, although it might take them a month or two. However, if it was the case that you needed a Mystic Widget from the Tier 9 raids, or special badges from same, to get the T9-equivalent badge gear, it would be completely inaccessible to players on the lower rungs of raiding, no matter how long they kept at it."
And here's what may just be conjecture on the idea of an "exchange rate" across the tiers. I don't know if Bitter CupOJoe and Darian are Blizz employees or random posters. It's useful even if just to help people understand what "stratification" might mean. : )
"BitterCupOJoe and darian, in comments on the Blizzcast post, neatly addressed this issue through a simple mechanism: exchange rates. Let's say there are four types of badges; we'll call them A, B, C, and D for simplicity. We know (from this same Blizzcast interview) that they want the 10-man and the 25-man versions of the same raids to be separated by about a tier in terms of item quality. Therefore, it would make sense if:
* Naxxramas, the tier 7 raid, drops A-Badges on 10-man and B-Badges on 25-man.
* Ulduar, the t8 raid, drops B-Badges on 10-man and C-Badges on 25-man.
* Whatever the t9 raid turns out to be drops C-Badges on 10-man and D-Badges on 25-man.
* And so on, if they add more raids.
Then, you just allow players to exchange badges up at a rate of two-to-one: two As get you a B, and so forth. This allows Blizzard to make it clear that certain gear is "meant for" certain levels of play, and to make it easier to get the appropriate gear at the appropriate levels, while still making it possible for the dedicated t7 raider to get top-quality gear eventually."
That said I like to get my "facts" from blogs and not forum chatter, so this blog post at wowinsider caught my eye. It discusses what some Blizz guy said in some official thing called Blizzcast that I'm not familiar with.
It seems that the badge system will continue to exist but "evolve" to feature more stratification, as in types of badges, so you can't get T9 loot by running T4 content ad nauseum. The post contains a lot more detail than that, and the guys thoughts on the pros and cons, and other info. It's a good read...as long as you like speculation.
Here's the bloggers thoughts on the system:
"I'm a little ambivalent on the stratifying idea, actually. Currently, someone running heroics or Karazhan can, eventually, get best-in-slot or near-best-in-slot items like the Crossbow of Relentless Strikes or the Adorned Supernal Leggings, although it might take them a month or two. However, if it was the case that you needed a Mystic Widget from the Tier 9 raids, or special badges from same, to get the T9-equivalent badge gear, it would be completely inaccessible to players on the lower rungs of raiding, no matter how long they kept at it."
And here's what may just be conjecture on the idea of an "exchange rate" across the tiers. I don't know if Bitter CupOJoe and Darian are Blizz employees or random posters. It's useful even if just to help people understand what "stratification" might mean. : )
"BitterCupOJoe and darian, in comments on the Blizzcast post, neatly addressed this issue through a simple mechanism: exchange rates. Let's say there are four types of badges; we'll call them A, B, C, and D for simplicity. We know (from this same Blizzcast interview) that they want the 10-man and the 25-man versions of the same raids to be separated by about a tier in terms of item quality. Therefore, it would make sense if:
* Naxxramas, the tier 7 raid, drops A-Badges on 10-man and B-Badges on 25-man.
* Ulduar, the t8 raid, drops B-Badges on 10-man and C-Badges on 25-man.
* Whatever the t9 raid turns out to be drops C-Badges on 10-man and D-Badges on 25-man.
* And so on, if they add more raids.
Then, you just allow players to exchange badges up at a rate of two-to-one: two As get you a B, and so forth. This allows Blizzard to make it clear that certain gear is "meant for" certain levels of play, and to make it easier to get the appropriate gear at the appropriate levels, while still making it possible for the dedicated t7 raider to get top-quality gear eventually."
Staff of the Forest Lord is awesome. It looks more like a dps weapon than tanking, but it is fourth (IIRC) on Emmerald's list for tanking weapons (Higher than even the mighty Earthwarden), and I trust that. It costs 150 badges, though, which would be a pain to farm. But, if you do, say, UB, SP, Bot, and Mech every day, you can get 150 badges in just 10 days, if I remembered all the bosses. Maybe less if they are the dailies. But on the plus side, you probably won't ever replace it. Man I want that thing.
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Tameless Breeches are amazing. Great for anything a feral can do: PvP, tanking, or DPS. I just got mine and I love them.
100 badges takes a while though.
You already know to pick up Slikks Cloak and the Idol of Ferocity.
Pick up the S2 shoulders for tanking. I was lucky and got the PvP boots and bracers before arena rating was required. Both of those are good for tanking. In general, most PvP gear is decent tanking gear for Kara.
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100 badges takes a while though.
You already know to pick up Slikks Cloak and the Idol of Ferocity.
Pick up the S2 shoulders for tanking. I was lucky and got the PvP boots and bracers before arena rating was required. Both of those are good for tanking. In general, most PvP gear is decent tanking gear for Kara.
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NeithanTheWronged wrote:
Pick up the S2 shoulders for tanking. I was lucky and got the PvP boots and bracers before arena rating was required. Both of those are good for tanking. In general, most PvP gear is decent tanking gear for Kara.
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Just to springboard off of the last sentence: Don't overlook the PvP dragonhide "starter kits" that you can get from the various quartermasters at honored rep... Since res and def are more or less interchangeable to bears, you can use the dragonhide gear to get crit immune with almost no effort... and you also might be able to get slightly better stats out of the set than the basic wowikki gear guide as well, depending on slot. With this set and some planning, it's possible to hit minimal kara stats with next to no 5-man farming... just keep in mind that you can't get the 2-pc set bonus with 1-pc of the dragonhide vendor items and the S2 sholders (which is an EXCELLENT tanking piece), but you CAN go 2 piece dragonhide and 2-pc glad gear for +35res x2... With that, there should be NO problem getting crit immune... Except the heavy clefthoof will generally have too much stam and armor to give up... the option is there tho.
Because of your current cloak, I would strongly consider Band of the Swift Paw as your second badge purchace since it's a steal at 35 badges, and better than anything you can find in 5-mans or early raiding for both DPS and tanking roles.
Depending on your server progression, you could also get someone to craft a belt of natural power since the mats are insignificant for what you're getting... Farming mats for the belt when you can't find a group for anything is a productive timesink.
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Band of the swift paw
And just shove in the solid star of elune for a HUGE hp boost.
Just saw your post above with your tanking gear, missed that before ><...
...another item to keep in mind is both Glyph of the Gladiator and Shattered sun pendant of resolve which are simply way better than the effort invested to get them would warrant... the pendant is better than the maiden drop listed at wowikki as long as you don't need the defense.
EVERY tank wants the Commendation of Kael'thas from heroic MgT as well. I mention this because Blizz is nerfing all the bosses in 2.4.3 (and it's a shame too, considering what they drop), which will make it a lot easier to get. You could farm for Cloak of Blade Turning in normal while gearing up to the heroic.
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And just shove in the solid star of elune for a HUGE hp boost.
Just saw your post above with your tanking gear, missed that before ><...
...another item to keep in mind is both Glyph of the Gladiator and Shattered sun pendant of resolve which are simply way better than the effort invested to get them would warrant... the pendant is better than the maiden drop listed at wowikki as long as you don't need the defense.
EVERY tank wants the Commendation of Kael'thas from heroic MgT as well. I mention this because Blizz is nerfing all the bosses in 2.4.3 (and it's a shame too, considering what they drop), which will make it a lot easier to get. You could farm for Cloak of Blade Turning in normal while gearing up to the heroic.
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I'm not T6 but I have a keyboard and an internet connection and this continues to be a TOTAL softball of a question so : p
Waaaay up top you said you thought Idol of Terror would be your first grab "because your trinkets suck." Well it's an idol, not a trinket, so it doesn't compete with any of the other trinkets mentioned in this thread, and as mentioned a couple times it's the best feral idol in the game, and won't be replaced...like EVER. So you were correct right off the bat -- Idol of Terror should be your first purchase. Neither Slikk's Cloak nor Stalwart Ring will be replaced either, but Idol of Terror is by far the biggest bang for your buck so just get it already.
Waaaay up top you said you thought Idol of Terror would be your first grab "because your trinkets suck." Well it's an idol, not a trinket, so it doesn't compete with any of the other trinkets mentioned in this thread, and as mentioned a couple times it's the best feral idol in the game, and won't be replaced...like EVER. So you were correct right off the bat -- Idol of Terror should be your first purchase. Neither Slikk's Cloak nor Stalwart Ring will be replaced either, but Idol of Terror is by far the biggest bang for your buck so just get it already.
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kawainui wrote:
And that sir is why I should not post when I am drunk.
That's friggin hilarious, man, I swear. I totally noticed a flurry of simultaneous posts that didn't reflect your normal level of...uh, no offense, but intellect and perspective, lol.
Just stick to the forum when you're drunk...don't log on and blow all your badges on primal nethers to make a quick buck in a desperate attempt to fund your addiction to Bartles & Jaymes Cranberry Fruitxplosion wine coolers.
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Posted: Jul 14 2008 at 5:22 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Eh, I would take the cloak of blade turning over Slikk's since it gives more def at the cost of a bit of HP and dodge (but gives more armor)... those 2 stats come a LOT easier to a druid tank then def when you start getting full tier gear where you will NEED all the def that you can throw together. That, and farming the cloak of blade turning doubles as a rep farm for the OP shattered sun dps and tanking necks.
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Slikk's is the best feral back piece. You gain at least 1.5% dodge from this piece along with the extra stam. Crit cap and armor are more easily replaced. It has close to the same survivability as blade turning, but it has twice the mitigation. The new badge staff is primarily a dps staff, the loss in armor and def is too much until you are at a much higher gear level.
Downrated everyone who linked to wowhead when it wasn't necessary, you are all horrible people who deserve it....
anonymosity wrote:
Downrated everyone who linked to wowhead when it wasn't necessary, you are all horrible people who deserve it....
I couldn't agree more!! Use Alla's links dam you!!
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