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#1 Jul 07 2008 at 9:24 AM Rating: Good
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This is not meant to be a silly question but I'm wondering why hunters are allowed to get mail armor at level 40. I have an alt hunter, BM spec, that is now level 38. Soloing/leveling is very easy, even when I have to engage more than one mob. So why the mail, and why at level 40 (as opposed to level 1)? I have NOT run any instances with my hunter nor have I done any PvP so I'm certainly far from being an expert at the class. I assume there is something about the class or a particular build that would justify mail, but I don't see it yet. All flames should be sent to /dev/null :)
#2 Jul 07 2008 at 9:34 AM Rating: Excellent
It was possibly done so that there wouldn't be feral druids, rogues and hunters competing for gear all the time. And, as with mail wearer classes that move up to plate, they switch over at level 40. They could have made it happen right from the start, I guess, but maybe Blizzard didn't want hunters having mail right off the bat. That way, players come to terms with being slightly squishy and not melee tanks. Then when they've understood that fact, they switch over to mail, easing up gear competition problems.

But that's just me guessing really.
#3 Jul 07 2008 at 10:17 AM Rating: Decent
Even after lvl 40 leather may have better stats/bonus. Look for the bonus not just armor rating only.

It's probably just me but I have trouble finding decent "Hunter" mail armor below 70.

Edited, Jul 9th 2008 10:20am by Nobic
#4 Jul 07 2008 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
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It was possibly done so that there wouldn't be feral druids, rogues and hunters competing for gear all the time. And, as with mail wearer classes that move up to plate, they switch over at level 40. They could have made it happen right from the start, I guess, but maybe Blizzard didn't want hunters having mail right off the bat. That way, players come to terms with being slightly squishy and not melee tanks. Then when they've understood that fact, they switch over to mail, easing up gear competition problems.

But that's just me guessing really.


I guess you're right then. Only reason that makes sense to me... Or well, it might make a bit of a difference in PvP... If all hunters would be wearing leather there I can imagine (as a rogue) they'd become really squishy... Even with things like traps to kite us they'd be fairly easy kills.
#5 Jul 07 2008 at 12:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Smallsword of Doom wrote:
It was possibly done so that there wouldn't be feral druids, rogues and hunters competing for gear all the time. And, as with mail wearer classes that move up to plate, they switch over at level 40. They could have made it happen right from the start, I guess, but maybe Blizzard didn't want hunters having mail right off the bat. That way, players come to terms with being slightly squishy and not melee tanks. Then when they've understood that fact, they switch over to mail, easing up gear competition problems.

But that's just me guessing really.


Well all the armor "upgrades" come at level 40. Paladin and Warrior get plate at 40. Shaman and Hunter get mail at 40. 40 was a turning point in the leveling(back when 60 was the max). 1-20 cake, simple and over in a blink of an eye. 20-40 is a little bit tougher, but you can still remain pretyt close to your homelands. 40 is about the time you travel to the far reaches of the world. Hinterlands, Feralas, Azshara, in my eyes it keeps along with the RPG portion of the game in that at 40 you venture farther from home and need stronger armor to survive the wilds.

Aside from the classes competing for armor, there is another fundamental about hunters that makes them seem more likely to need mail over the other DPS/CC classes. That is the functionality of their traps. Because the Hunters traps require the hunter to pull aggro and get the mob chasing you, you are more likely to be hit than any other DPS/CC class there.

In other words, all other forms of CC are just applied, if those CC classes pull aggro and get attacked, then it was a matter of poor hate management. Hunters are required to pull aggro, and are more likely to get hit. Sure they shouldn't get hit and it is poor trapping if you are hit, but $^!^ happens and sometimes you get hit. Suffice it to say, the risk of getting hit is higher as a hunter because you need aggro to trap.

Of course at the end of all, the difference between mail and leather doesn't amount to a hill of beans, one or two hits and your dead at end game either way. But the decission of mail and leather was made way way back in the days when 60 was the max and I'm thinking that it was a bit different back then.

But I'm just talking out of my butt lol. PS. Hey folks who remember me, I'm back. :-P
#6 Jul 08 2008 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
I just want to throw in a comment about that last post. I think the post is fundamentally right, the extra mitigation helps if you pull aggro (accidentally or deliberately, via distracting shot). However, trap application doesn't (necessarily) require you to pull aggro. If your pet has the aggro, and you want to apply a trap, just pull in the pet after you've laid the trap. I notice a lot of hunters that suffer from not calling the pet in and they'd just rather leave it in attack mode. I know easy mode is just sick pet, Hunter's Mark, Fire, Fire, Fire. But managing the pet's activities will sometimes pay dividends, especially in 5 mans (i.e. redirecting pet to OT caster mobs while the MT focuses on the melee.)
#7 Jul 08 2008 at 11:37 AM Rating: Good
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RufusDog wrote:
I just want to throw in a comment about that last post. I think the post is fundamentally right, the extra mitigation helps if you pull aggro (accidentally or deliberately, via distracting shot). However, trap application doesn't (necessarily) require you to pull aggro. If your pet has the aggro, and you want to apply a trap, just pull in the pet after you've laid the trap. I notice a lot of hunters that suffer from not calling the pet in and they'd just rather leave it in attack mode. I know easy mode is just sick pet, Hunter's Mark, Fire, Fire, Fire. But managing the pet's activities will sometimes pay dividends, especially in 5 mans (i.e. redirecting pet to OT caster mobs while the MT focuses on the melee.)


I'm sorry, when I think, my default frame of mind goes to heroics and raids, and well if you use your pet to get aggro in order to trap, your pet dies, which kills group DPS, which could kill the group/raid. So you don't want your pet to really do anything besides beat on the same mob the MT is tanking.

So, your right as well, in the lower instances, where our pets can survive a decent beating, you can use your pet to get aggro in order to trap(hell you can use your pet to off tank too). The only problem with that is chain trapping, where if your pet has hate on a trapped mob and when it unfreezes it heads for your pet, you just have to do a little more trap placement planning than usual, but it's possible.
#8 Jul 09 2008 at 5:42 PM Rating: Decent
I know what you mean, when you become used to one facet of the game it's easy to forget the other stuff. I'll also add that your armor benefits your pet's as well, not substantially so but that little extra bonus with that little extra bit of mitigation may be the difference made toward whether scruffy survives that pull or not.
#9 Jul 10 2008 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Pre-TBC Hunters were the only Alliance class that could wear mail. That would be a lot of wasted drops 40+ if Ally had noone capable of wearing it. Horde would still have had Shamans at least.

I would imagine that had a little bit to do with the decision.


Edited, Sep 15th 2008 6:25pm by Ikaridono
#10 Aug 13 2008 at 12:36 PM Rating: Default
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Kind of off-on-a-tangent here, but I have always gotten a chuckle out of all the hunters that you see in SM blues once they hit 40.

For a hunter, sometimes it's best to stick with leathers rather than putting on useless mail just 'cuz you can. And for a hunter, you can easily get gear that's much better for you than the SM junk:

Oilskin Leggings or Triprunner Dungarees > Scarlet Leggings
Raptor Hunter Tunic or Quilward Harness (if you can get it) > Scarlet Chestpiece
Worn Running Boots > Scarlet Boots (But these at least have a little agi)
Fleshhide Shoulder > Herod's Shoulder

Raging Berzerker's Helm - The crit boost is nice, but the str is all but useless. I would think a Chief Brigarier Coif or Wild Leather Helmet of the Monkey would be better.

Ginn-Su Sword (x2) or Grimlok's Charge >>> Ravager - not a mail item, but again, too many hunters equip this thing over all the other weapons that give nice stat boosts. The proc is pretty cool, but IMHO, if you ever see this weapon proc as a hunter, you need to re-roll as a different class.

Just my 2 copper...
#11 Aug 13 2008 at 3:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Kind of a rate down for necro-posting a tangent on a month old thread.
#12 Aug 13 2008 at 3:47 PM Rating: Good
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Darn post police...

Grumble, grumble...

Mods, we need a sticky about not looking at anything past page 2 on this Forum, so that morons like me know to not look back that far in case we find something that seems interesting and we get the crazy idea of replying to it without looking at the date, thereby incurring the wrath of azwing...

Also, maybe a sticky about run-on sentences...

/sarcasm
#13 Aug 14 2008 at 9:55 AM Rating: Good
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Ikaridono wrote:
Pre-TBC, Hunters were the only Alliance class that could wear mail. That would be a lot of wasted drops 40+ if Ally had noone capable of wearing it. Horde would still have had Shamans at least.

I would imagine that had a little bit to do with the decision.


WTF? Smiley: confused

#14 Aug 14 2008 at 12:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Just change the phrase "capable of wearing it" to "willing to wear it when they have Plate available" and it may make more sense.

Ikaridono seemed to be saying that at 40, Paladins and Warriors get to upgrade to Plate, so they most likely would no longer be using Mail. And since no other classes (besides Hunter, pre-TBC) on the Alliance side got an upgrade to Mail, pretty much all of the 40+ Mail drops would be useless to the Alliance if Hunters weren't given that upgrade.
#15 Aug 19 2008 at 1:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually, hunter pets did not scale with armor until fairly recently, so mail being designed to buff pets isn't true.
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