Hey, sorry up front if I missed this somewhere else. I read all the stickies and couldn't find it.
I just hit 70 after what seems like forever. I ran some instances to get some items and bought what I could for blue items through the AH or rep. I am looking to do better but I don't seem to have much time for pvp enough to get good items. So, my question is: Where do I go from here? I enjoy parties and look forward to raids. I wouldn't mind rep grinding if the items where decent upgrades to get me to heroics. None of the rep grinding seemed to be that much of a pay off.
Anyway... my name is Icet from the Draenor server. Any help is appreciated.
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Start looking at lvl 70instances/heroics and kara.
Welcome to 70 where the rep is for grinding and the purples start getting sharded! Gratz!
At 70 the dividing line between PvP and PvE only gets wider as you progress in each respective area. What gear you should be going after is really dependent on which you're going after. If you love stun-locking clothies until they are nothing more than crying heaps of dissected flesh, go PvP. If you admire perfectly timed kicks and laughing at enrage timers with mocking joy, go raiding.
Many people keep two sets of gear, and correspondingly different talent tree specs for their toons for each environment. It's a bit of a pain, but worth it. You cannot excel at both PvE and PvP with the same gear/spec. You can "get by" and be mediocre, but you're not going to run BT as Shadow Step in Gladiator gear anymore than make over 1800 in 2v2 arenas with the t4 set and Combat Swords. (*note: Before any of you start, I'm sure 1 or 2 counter-examples exist but let's not get side tracked with extremely rare oddities here.)
For PvP you might start with Theo's FAQ for a great ton of info on Arena rogues. The blue rep PvP items you mention (Opportunist's Set) are an ok start for Battlegrounds so that you can begin to grind Honor, but not much else. And they are mediocre in PvE compared to....
.... The Assassination Set is where most of us PvE rogues get started. The 2-piece bonus is good and the pieces can carry you through Karazhan. Having to run and re-run instances for them also will help you learn good raiding/grouping habits, tactics, etc. For a solid start of the mechanics of the raiding rogue, start with Elitist Jerks.
Of course these boards are full of info, just look through the many posts and you'll learn all sorts of things. My most important piece of advice is this: Don't just go by anyone's lists/suggestions/tips/whatever. Learn the basic mechanics of the class, get out there and actively improve as you get on with the getting on.
Good luck and here's to phat lootz!
Edited, Jul 7th 2008 12:48am by TherionSaysWhat
At 70 the dividing line between PvP and PvE only gets wider as you progress in each respective area. What gear you should be going after is really dependent on which you're going after. If you love stun-locking clothies until they are nothing more than crying heaps of dissected flesh, go PvP. If you admire perfectly timed kicks and laughing at enrage timers with mocking joy, go raiding.
Many people keep two sets of gear, and correspondingly different talent tree specs for their toons for each environment. It's a bit of a pain, but worth it. You cannot excel at both PvE and PvP with the same gear/spec. You can "get by" and be mediocre, but you're not going to run BT as Shadow Step in Gladiator gear anymore than make over 1800 in 2v2 arenas with the t4 set and Combat Swords. (*note: Before any of you start, I'm sure 1 or 2 counter-examples exist but let's not get side tracked with extremely rare oddities here.)
For PvP you might start with Theo's FAQ for a great ton of info on Arena rogues. The blue rep PvP items you mention (Opportunist's Set) are an ok start for Battlegrounds so that you can begin to grind Honor, but not much else. And they are mediocre in PvE compared to....
.... The Assassination Set is where most of us PvE rogues get started. The 2-piece bonus is good and the pieces can carry you through Karazhan. Having to run and re-run instances for them also will help you learn good raiding/grouping habits, tactics, etc. For a solid start of the mechanics of the raiding rogue, start with Elitist Jerks.
Of course these boards are full of info, just look through the many posts and you'll learn all sorts of things. My most important piece of advice is this: Don't just go by anyone's lists/suggestions/tips/whatever. Learn the basic mechanics of the class, get out there and actively improve as you get on with the getting on.
Good luck and here's to phat lootz!
Edited, Jul 7th 2008 12:48am by TherionSaysWhat
Let me add my 2 bits from a pvper's perspective:
FOCUS on PVP: grind honor a lot. I first did that to get the full S1 gear, now you can do it for the S2 gear (meaning: the weapons and the 5 parts: head, shoulders, chest, hands, legs). Also get whatever off-set items you can this way (neck, wrists, waist, legs, rings). I say "whatever you can get" because some S4 items have ratings requirements. If you feel you won't get that rating anytime soon, go for S3 items which have no rating requirements (example: get S3 ring since S4 requires 1650).
That will take you quite some time because when I did it, I needed 140k point but now it's going to be more (especially with the new 40k trinket... which you don't have to take from the start, start with the cheaper one and you'll add the 40k at the end as icing on the cake).
At the same time you grind honor, start doing arenas. Sure, at the begining, with 0 resilience, you'll get rolled on. Doesn't matter, you start getting points. With just about 1000, you can get the S4 gloves (no rating requirements). You can also get the S4 throwing weapon (also no requirement). If I remember well, the S4 legs have a very low requirement like 1550. Plan ahead what S4 items you'll get before wasting honor on that so as to optimize both grindings.
PVE: in paralell to your pve grinding (see above), grind instances and start kara and heroics ASAP. You main goal is to get the badges that will buy you high end items (103 dps weapons, back, ring, trinket). On your way (I see this as a side benefit), you'll be able to "need" purple PVE items which will help you to run heroics and get more badges.
If you do the above, you'll be nicely geared in a few weeks/months depending on how much you play. Pretty simple, just requires perseverance. Good luck!
nostra
Edited, Jul 7th 2008 4:40pm by nostraaa
FOCUS on PVP: grind honor a lot. I first did that to get the full S1 gear, now you can do it for the S2 gear (meaning: the weapons and the 5 parts: head, shoulders, chest, hands, legs). Also get whatever off-set items you can this way (neck, wrists, waist, legs, rings). I say "whatever you can get" because some S4 items have ratings requirements. If you feel you won't get that rating anytime soon, go for S3 items which have no rating requirements (example: get S3 ring since S4 requires 1650).
That will take you quite some time because when I did it, I needed 140k point but now it's going to be more (especially with the new 40k trinket... which you don't have to take from the start, start with the cheaper one and you'll add the 40k at the end as icing on the cake).
At the same time you grind honor, start doing arenas. Sure, at the begining, with 0 resilience, you'll get rolled on. Doesn't matter, you start getting points. With just about 1000, you can get the S4 gloves (no rating requirements). You can also get the S4 throwing weapon (also no requirement). If I remember well, the S4 legs have a very low requirement like 1550. Plan ahead what S4 items you'll get before wasting honor on that so as to optimize both grindings.
PVE: in paralell to your pve grinding (see above), grind instances and start kara and heroics ASAP. You main goal is to get the badges that will buy you high end items (103 dps weapons, back, ring, trinket). On your way (I see this as a side benefit), you'll be able to "need" purple PVE items which will help you to run heroics and get more badges.
If you do the above, you'll be nicely geared in a few weeks/months depending on how much you play. Pretty simple, just requires perseverance. Good luck!
nostra
Edited, Jul 7th 2008 4:40pm by nostraaa
Quote:
Many people keep two sets of gear, and correspondingly different talent tree specs for their toons for each environment. It's a bit of a pain, but worth it. You cannot excel at both PvE and PvP with the same gear/spec. You can "get by" and be mediocre, but you're not going to run BT as Shadow Step in Gladiator gear anymore than make over 1800 in 2v2 arenas with the t4 set and Combat Swords. (*note: Before any of you start, I'm sure 1 or 2 counter-examples exist but let's not get side tracked with extremely rare oddities here.)
I think that pretty much said it all. You can probably make some kind of compromising spec that works for PvP and PvE until you leave Karazhan, after that specializing will be a must.
Mozared wrote:
I think that pretty much said it all. You can use Shadowstep swords until you leave Karazhan, after that combat swords is the only current viable raiding build.
FTFY.
ThomasMagnum wrote:
Mozared wrote:
I think that pretty much said it all. You can use Shadowstep swords until you leave Karazhan, after that combat swords is the only current viable raiding build.
FTFY.
Enh, not really unless your guild regularly clears Kara with no issues. The loss of any DPS if you're not getting optimal groups will really hurt you.
In my Kara group (less than 3-hour full-clear once a week) it would be still be a problem if I came in there ShS. In well-geared badge runs, time becomes the defining factor. And slowing down my dps would slow down the raid, wasting 9 other peoples' time. On the other side if you're struggling with learning the bosses then you're adding unwarranted stress on your tanks and healers by not having the most efficient damage output. Sure, there's only 1 semi-serious enrage timer (Netherspite), but if the mana pools can't last while you poke at the bosses toes....
Honestly, it's not really that expensive to respec (what, 2 dailies worth of gold?) and the difference is noticeable even in t4 content. I've seen players with PvP specs asked to sit for Gruul and Mag, and rightly so IMO. Personally I find it a bit lazy when players can't be bothered to spend 15 minutes at the trainer and getting back to the meeting stone. Switching between the two specs/gear isn't all that hard to do really.
Honestly, it's not really that expensive to respec (what, 2 dailies worth of gold?) and the difference is noticeable even in t4 content. I've seen players with PvP specs asked to sit for Gruul and Mag, and rightly so IMO. Personally I find it a bit lazy when players can't be bothered to spend 15 minutes at the trainer and getting back to the meeting stone. Switching between the two specs/gear isn't all that hard to do really.
Some people think respeccing for a 20 minute gruul run is a waste of time. If the pve gear is good enough the dps won't be bad. Also, waste walker is better than assination, at least the 2set is.
Gruul's Lair can't be done in 20 minutes. I doubt most raids can get High King down in 20 minutes. Maybe your raid is OMG-über. ;p
I'm not going to get mired into a dead-horse argument. Yes you "can" run any aspect in the game with any spec. Whether you "should" or not is up to you and your raid leaders. I refer you to my previous statements.
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The OP just hit 70 and is asking about gear for heroics and raiding. The Wastewalker Set requires running heroics for the set drops.
I'm not going to get mired into a dead-horse argument. Yes you "can" run any aspect in the game with any spec. Whether you "should" or not is up to you and your raid leaders. I refer you to my previous statements.
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The OP just hit 70 and is asking about gear for heroics and raiding. The Wastewalker Set requires running heroics for the set drops.
TherionSaysWhat wrote:
Gruul's Lair can't be done in 20 minutes. I doubt most raids can get High King down in 20 minutes. Maybe your raid is OMG-über. ;p
I'm not going to get mired into a dead-horse argument. Yes you "can" run any aspect in the game with any spec. Whether you "should" or not is up to you and your raid leaders. I refer you to my previous statements.
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The OP just hit 70 and is asking about gear for heroics and raiding. The Wastewalker Set requires running heroics for the set drops.
I'm not going to get mired into a dead-horse argument. Yes you "can" run any aspect in the game with any spec. Whether you "should" or not is up to you and your raid leaders. I refer you to my previous statements.
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The OP just hit 70 and is asking about gear for heroics and raiding. The Wastewalker Set requires running heroics for the set drops.
Gruul's can be done in 20 mins pretty easily if you're in T6, which both my guild and spdr's guild are.
It's pretty crazy how you can burn through things if the tank pulls agressively. Ran through SP heroic in 20 minutes today.
Gruul is a bit like the Onyxia of tBC - in one way he becomes easier if there are less people. A T6 or even T5 canreally plough through that place.
Gruul is a bit like the Onyxia of tBC - in one way he becomes easier if there are less people. A T6 or even T5 canreally plough through that place.
One of my regular tanks (t6 tankadin) runs heroic SH in 30 min when we're not rushing. I'm currently working on the ZA timers with my regular 10man group and we're burning through them after only our 3rd run. I understand that a well-geared and focused group can do some very cool stuff....
...but Gruuls in 20min is something I'd have to see to believe, no offense. It's not even so much getting past HKM quickly as it is just the amount of damage you have to put out between growths on Gruul himself that I just don't see taking less than 10 min (from HKM to looting). Now, had you said 30 min, I'd could have totally believed that! ;)
Of course, I never thought I'd see a rogue tank Gruul either. So, there ya go. ;P Seriously, I'd love to see some video of a run like that! Guess I'll have to go a googling later but if anyone has a link handy, please share!
After typing all that though, we're getting off-topic pretty far. Doubt the OP cares about speed-running Gruuls just yet.
...but Gruuls in 20min is something I'd have to see to believe, no offense. It's not even so much getting past HKM quickly as it is just the amount of damage you have to put out between growths on Gruul himself that I just don't see taking less than 10 min (from HKM to looting). Now, had you said 30 min, I'd could have totally believed that! ;)
Of course, I never thought I'd see a rogue tank Gruul either. So, there ya go. ;P Seriously, I'd love to see some video of a run like that! Guess I'll have to go a googling later but if anyone has a link handy, please share!
After typing all that though, we're getting off-topic pretty far. Doubt the OP cares about speed-running Gruuls just yet.
Its possible its 30 minutes. But still, I wouldn't respec for that either.
I can one-hit hogger too. Who cares?
Overlord Theophany wrote:
ThomasMagnum wrote:
Mozared wrote:
I think that pretty much said it all. You can use Shadowstep swords until you leave Karazhan, after that combat swords is the only current viable raiding build.
FTFY.
Enh, not really unless your guild regularly clears Kara with no issues. The loss of any DPS if you're not getting optimal groups will really hurt you.
We have kara on a sub 3 hour badge farm. Increasing my DPS by switching to combat may help, but not enough to make a massive time difference. I switch to combat for anything else, though.
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