New Poison Concepts for RoguesFollow

PvP isn't worth it, though the PvE poison is nice, they'd never implement it as it'd boost damage by too much. 15% damage bonus to rupture on top of Mangle?

Then you need to think about 3 rogues with that poison up, plus mangle. Too overpowered.

Yes, and I would also call you "out of your mind".

Wound Poison:
Deals damage and reduces healing received. Stacks up to 5 times.

Maybe you forgot what the poison did Theophany? Where in that description does it SPECIFICALLY target a melee class? Where as when I said crippling and mind numbing poisons primarily affect ranged and caster classes respectively. Maybe your wound poison slows down their attack speed or lowers their chance to hit or something? But as far as I know, for the rest of us, it does no such thing.

I'm glad I had the opportunity to clear things up for you once again, as it seems you are perpetually confused when it comes to this kind of stuff. Also...


I didn't assume anything, I stated my view. Perhaps next time when you try using that GED education to come up with slanderous comments, you could use the thesaurus and dictionary you so desperately needed in your younger years as your words clearly fail you.

Answered your own question.

It targets a melee class.. because it reduces the healing received.. by classes that can't heal.

I'm missing something here.

I can see how it'd be more of a melee class poison in Arena, but it's still pretty faulty logic.

Are you THAT bad at arena that you don't realize that crippling effects every single class equally?

Against warriors on other melee classes, you use it to peel. Against caster and ranged classes, you use it to stick to them while they try and kite you.

Wound Poison is a NEEDED poison for rogues to the point that rogues have actually started using it on the OH weapon as well and having a third weapon they switch to for shivving Crip.

Have you ever tried playing a melee team without Wound Poison or MS? It doesn't work.

Get the **** off my forums you 1200-rated scrub.


It's alright. You've never done arena, so I can see how you wouldn't understand how it would affect melee classes.

It always brightens my day to see a nice calm debate on the Rogue forums...

On topic, maybe a poison that reduces Armor?

Corrosive Poison, reduces target's armor by x amount for 30 seconds, stacks up to 5 times.

Might save you from needing to use Expose Armor...



Good luck killing that Warrior thats smashing your face in while he's being healed...

Edited, Jul 5th 2008 3:47pm by GodOfMoo

There's a huge difference between a player getting 50% healing versus 100%. Especially resto druids.

Rogues and warriors don't have the burst that a caster class has, so we need healing debuffs to make it harder to outheal our damage.

Overlord Theophany wrote:


Sigh... you really can't read or argue very well can you? The main argument was about not having a poison that specifically targets melee. Thus God of Moo said:



Lowering armor would certainly help against all classes, but more so for warriors and ret pallies... who happen to be melee. Mind Numbing is solely for casters, no one else. Ergo, it is a anti-caster poison. See the logic behind that concept? I doubt you do, as you fail to grasp anything beyond your limited reach.

About crippling... are you saying that crippling poison effects hunters and locks just as equally as it does warriors? My statement was that crippling affects ranged classes more so than melee... so feel free to try and dispute that one. I know you will, but you'll probably end up making yourself sound pathetic, desperate, and confused yet again. And last i checked... these forums didn't belong to you. Go take pride in something you are actually good at and leave the intelligent debate and discussion with people that have the minds capable to do so. Feel free to send me a PM if you need help on a good rebuttal, I'm always glad to help the misfortunate and defenseless.

You have no idea how ArPen works, do you? It's more effective against targets with low armor, not less effective. An anti-armor poison would be more useful against clothies than plate-wearers, by a pretty large factor.

This isn't news, by the way; this is basic knowledge. How the hell do you not know that? Did you just start playing a Rogue? Are you level 20? Have you not trained EA yet?



Of course a snare effects melee more than ranged, you moron; even with pillarhumping a melee is much more likely to be not doing any damage when snared than a ranged is, even a Hunter.

It works well on both because of the Magic of LoS, but it's definitely not focused on one or the other. You use it on melee to cut their damage output and let others kite the melee, and you use it on pretty much everything else to make sure they stay in range of you while you beat on them. How is that hard to understand?

Edited, Jul 5th 2008 4:31pm by RPZip

Yup, but in reality ranged fighters (especially casters) simply aren't going to be doing damage from close range whereas kiting melee classes (except maybe paladins) is generally a lot harder to do.

I can pull off a warrior kite (eventually killing him) every now and then if they're not on top of hamstring. Gimping a ranged DPSer's damage by making him unable to kite me happens... Daily.

You realize that no ranged class except mages get interrupted on their primary damage spells, right?

Hunters use instant shots, locks use dots and drain life (which can really only be kicked/DTd), and most casters have pushback talents if their classes rely on casted spells (i.e. ele shamans, balance druids, mages, spriests).

And your concept of who is easy to kite is completely retarded. Do you not realize that paladins have BoF?

God, you're awful at this game.

Melee moves to keep you in close are no where near as effective though.

I've never been Feared for more than 10 seconds by a melee class...