ret build?Follow

hey guys, im pretty new to WoW and i was just wondering what you guys think of this build? what can be changed?

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sxhZxbxZVfxtbcuih0z

thanks alot

Well, your build kinda depends on what you do most of the time.

I don't really off-heal, but i will throw heals in emergencies. Because I don't off-heal, I only put 5 points in holy to max divine strength. In the Prot Tree it is nice to get the extra 3% hit from precision, but if you are raiding or grouping a lot, the toughness does not need to be taken since you (hopefully) aren't getting hit hard enough to need it. If you ever mess around with a sword and board instead of a 2-hander (for soloing or whatever) then you might want to put the 5 points from Imp Devo Aura into Redoubt instead, but they both are pretty useless for a Ret since you usually won't be using a shield, and almost never will you use devotion aura (Sanctitiy Aura FTW); however, you gotta put those 5 points SOMEWHERE to get precision. I really wouldn't bother with toughness in my opinion.

In the Ret Tree, you are completely missing Fanatacism, which is a must. More criticals with your judgements is AWESOME, and the reduced threat is also a must. You aren't a Tank, so having the reduced threat just makes you able to do that much more damage without having aggro issues. I would also HIGHLY recommend maxing out sanctified seals. Also, in my opinion, parry is not important enough to put 5 points into. I would try a 5/8/48 build something like this:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sxZxhZVfotocuiIst

(hopefully that link worked, and the improved devo aura could be switched to redoubt, but as I said, you shouldn't really need either of those talents other than to get 3 pts in precision...)

I think that you will find you do a LOT more damage that way and it won't gimp your surviveability at all due to the reduced threat/increased damage done. If you solo a lot, I guess the toughness would be nice, but other than that, the 5/8/48 build will probably make you happier as a DPS paladin.

Don't do a general build. When you get to end-game, respec if you want to do PvP and respec if you want to do PvE AND maximize efficiecncy. You can PvP in a PvE build and vice versa, but you won't be as good at it. Respec costs at MAX are 50g, which is not hard at ALL for a lvl 70 to get.

Edit: Also don't bother with Divine Purpose. It is useful in arenas if you are JUST starting out, but it's one of those talents that diminishes as you get better gear.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2008 8:17am by CapJack

A)im still confused by the OP. are you lvl 1 or lvl 70? because your build will change as you go.

B)the stickies are pretty concise.

C)Vindication is garbage for pvp and pve.

No. Precision won't make you Hit capped on its own so there is no reason to drop a point out of it even as a Draenei. That's just 1% less that you need to get from gear.

the main reason one would consider the talent, especially in pve, is the stam debuff. however, to apply the debuff the pally has already caused melee dmg and thus reduced the enemy's hp...often times to lower than the 15% max health that Vindication causes.

the other stat debuffs, as seen in pvp, are hardly noticable. losing 15% int for casters is merely annoying. losing 15% agi and str on melee is hardly felt...besides, melee is usually not a problem for us.

if you 2v2 alot, Vindication should be considered, every little edge counts. but otherwise, the debuff will probably not be noticable to either party.