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#1 Jul 01 2008 at 8:12 AM Rating: Default
Hi everyone. Getting some info on here while maintenance is taking place. But leveling rogue today and giving my 45hunter a rest. On my rogue I'm specced combat. I'm strictly a solo rogue. But was told to use daggers tell I actually get sword spec. After reading the stickie that is more focused on end game then solo play. Just wondered if I'm heading in the right direction. Was even told to ditch my gun and stick with throwing weapons. Here I'll just put up the link and let you take a look. :D Thanks to those whom reply. http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html?tal=0050000000000000000003200550100020000000000000000000000000000000000
#2 Jul 01 2008 at 8:43 AM Rating: Default
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use whatever has the highest top damage for your mh, then a fast oh.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html?tal=0050000000000000000000233050020050000000000000000000000000000000000
#3 Jul 01 2008 at 8:58 AM Rating: Default
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If you ask me, Pre-70 you

1) Might want to stick with daggers as it enables the use of backstab which you'll find yourself using when possible (not to mention in instances), thought it doesn't seem to matter much.

and

2) Can go for either throwing weapons, bows or guns. Since you're not going to get Deadly Throw anytime soon you don't really nééd throwing weapons.
#4 Jul 01 2008 at 9:49 AM Rating: Good
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Welcome to the world of rogues! Level combat swords for efficiency, use daggers only if you actually love running behind mobs constantly after gouging. As a side note: at 50 you may consider respecing Mutilate (deep Assassination) if you have some decent daggers at that level. But combat swords is far and away more efficient for leveling all the way to 70. Sub isn't really a practical option until later in the game, and then it's only really good for PvP.

Find the main hand weapon with the highest average damage (not "top-end"). Special attacks calculate from the average, not the top and the higher average helps your auto-attack damage which is the vast majority of your DPS. Fastest off-hand procs poisons, sword spec and combat potency more often.

Your ranged weapon will only be there for stats until you get Deadly Throw. You'll likely never use it in combat (but should skill it up all the same just in case).

Most importantly: Learn the basic mechanics of the class and you'll not be confused by someone in a pug "suggesting" that you do this or that. There are plenty of opinions out there and most of them are woefully uninformed. Check out Elitist Jerks, these forums, and wowwiki (and others) for info and mechanics.

Hope that helps, good luck out there!
#5 Jul 01 2008 at 10:04 AM Rating: Default
Thanks so much for the reply. Usually if I use backstab. I don't run around behind the mob. I just gouge and step threw then backstab. I see alot of rogues gouge and then try and get exactly behind the mob. One thing about rogue is I always attack from stealth. The things you can nab while pick pocketing humanoids is nice. Daggers are good but I love swords and again thanks so much for the replies. Rogues and hunters are the only class I play. Rogues own all!
#6 Jul 01 2008 at 3:43 PM Rating: Good
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If you like pickpocket consider a macro. I use a pickpocket/cheapshot macro and use it as an opening move (pickpocket/backstab works also if you use daggers). Sometimes I'll just go through and pickpocket a whole area without fighting to level my lockpicking. One thing I've found out is that you do not have to be behind the mob to pickpocket with the macro, just stealthed.
#7 Jul 01 2008 at 4:26 PM Rating: Default
Oh yeah and you do not have to be facing to mobs back to use backstab either. I will use like sap/pickpocket step threw then backstab or garrote. So much easier then turning around. You can backstab or garrote then back up and kill them quick. Alot of rogues seem to like daggers for backstab. I do to but I also like swords. I keep both leveled just incase I pick up a good one that I can just swap out :D

Also how would I settup a macro using stealth commands :D

Edited, Jul 1st 2008 7:28pm by Souliken
#8 Jul 01 2008 at 6:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Souliken wrote:
Oh yeah and you do not have to be facing to mobs back to use backstab either. I will use like sap/pickpocket step threw then backstab or garrote. So much easier then turning around. You can backstab or garrote then back up and kill them quick. Alot of rogues seem to like daggers for backstab. I do to but I also like swords. I keep both leveled just incase I pick up a good one that I can just swap out :D

Also how would I settup a macro using stealth commands :D

Edited, Jul 1st 2008 7:28pm by Souliken

Yes, you do have to be facing their back 180° arc to get in a backstab.

No, you shouldn't be using daggers to level.

Anyone that uses daggers to level is a ******* moron.
#9 Jul 01 2008 at 11:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Souliken wrote:
After reading the stickie that is more focused on end game then solo play.


Please tell me, how can a guide called "Rogue quickstart guide" be focused on end game? It was right there, first link in the main stickie...

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=4;mid=1182669507222021891;page=1#1182669507222021891

nostra


#10 Jul 01 2008 at 11:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Souliken wrote:
Thanks so much for the reply. Usually if I use backstab. I don't run around behind the mob. I just gouge and step threw then backstab. I see alot of rogues gouge and then try and get exactly behind the mob. One thing about rogue is I always attack from stealth. The things you can nab while pick pocketing humanoids is nice. Daggers are good but I love swords and again thanks so much for the replies. Rogues and hunters are the only class I play. Rogues own all!


Can someone clear something up that I have experienced. Whenever I try to use this technique (forcing a backstab while in combat ... normally by gouging first), I generally find it more inefficient that simply straightforward hitting with SS (or Hemo, or whatever your staple attack is).

Simply put, I find that waiting to have enough energy for a gouge (so that you're not totally out when you have to BS), then gouging, getting behind the target, and landing the backstab (assuming you've regen'd enough energy by then), generally results in a loss of overall Damage dealt over time .. there's just too much time waiting for conditions to correct themselves for it to be viable.

Not to mention the fact that, normally I would be slashing away with a sword, and gouge > step thru/around > backstab would require me to first equip a dagger. Which consumes a GCD, and just generally adds waay more complexity than the backstab damage is worth.

I can, however, see the virtues of backstab when you're always behind a target (such as when you're grouped), and you always have a dagger equipped (maybe you're Muti spec'd).

Have I got it aaall wrong, am I missing something, or have I simply been lucky not to fall in the trap of trying to make use of every ability I have all the time ;-)

Edit : Spelling > me

Edited, Jul 2nd 2008 3:47am by robertlofthouse
#11 Jul 02 2008 at 1:17 AM Rating: Default
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robertlofthouse wrote:
Souliken wrote:
Thanks so much for the reply. Usually if I use backstab. I don't run around behind the mob. I just gouge and step threw then backstab. I see alot of rogues gouge and then try and get exactly behind the mob. One thing about rogue is I always attack from stealth. The things you can nab while pick pocketing humanoids is nice. Daggers are good but I love swords and again thanks so much for the replies. Rogues and hunters are the only class I play. Rogues own all!


Can someone clear something up that I have experienced. Whenever I try to use this technique (forcing a backstab while in combat ... normally by gouging first), I generally find it more inefficient that simply straightforward hitting with SS (or Hemo, or whatever your staple attack is).

Simply put, I find that waiting to have enough energy for a gouge (so that you're not totally out when you have to BS), then gouging, getting behind the target, and landing the backstab (assuming you've regen'd enough energy by then), generally results in a loss of overall Damage dealt over time .. there's just too much time waiting for conditions to correct themselves for it to be viable.

Not to mention the fact that, normally I would be slashing away with a sword, and gouge > step thru/around > backstab would require me to first equip a dagger. Which consumes a GCD, and just generally adds waay more complexity than the backstab damage is worth.

I can, however, see the virtues of backstab when you're always behind a target (such as when you're grouped), and you always have a dagger equipped (maybe you're Muti spec'd).

Have I got it aaall wrong, am I missing something, or have I simply been lucky not to fall in the trap of trying to make use of every ability I have all the time ;-)

Edit : Spelling > me

Edited, Jul 2nd 2008 3:47am by robertlofthouse

No, you're right; BS is a huge waste. Using swords/maces/fists and just using SS is way more efficient for soloing.
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