Hello, i just started playing WoW but i wanted opinions on where to put my traits. I want to have high healing ability but still have decent retribution and defence. Would this be a good build?
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/paladin/talents.html?tal=5055310052013000100025005133000000000000000523000100000000000000
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The thing with paladins is you really need to specc into one type of area. Unlike druids who can dps/tank using just feral pallies will be gimped and are unable to comlete more than one area/job in a party. I remember CapJack saying that he went down the ret tree till he got Seal of command then down the holy tree a little for some bonus healing. Pre outlands going ret (levelling / dps tree) you can comfortably heal, tank and dps til around level 50. After that you really need to specc in one particular area. Make sure you carry around a shield and 1h with you in your bags in case you need to tank but otherwise run around with a slow 2h and use Seal of the Command. With the changes to quest xp there really is no need to try aoeing non quest mobs or anything like that, so the ret tree will be your friend.
BTW wall of helpful text crits you for 1 million hp's
Yeah thats what i was mainly planning to do, go won retribution until SOC then go down holy for healing and do protect just a little, or should i not do protect at all?
Don't spend points in all 3 trees. You will be, quite bluntly, crappy at all 3 roles. THere is a reason for this: Paladins would be way overpowered if they could heal great, tank great, and DPS great all at the same time. Points in one area gimp your ability in the other 2.
Of course if you really don't care and are in it solely for the fun, then feel free to plug in points as you see fit :) Groups won't like you, but if you were soloing that wouldn't matter at all. If you do care though and want to be the best asset to your group possible, then you need to put the majority of your points into one tree (whichever role you decide you want most) and just focus on that, with a few points possibly in a second tree: but never all 3 trees.
PS: much <3 for using the WoW.com talent calculator :D imo it's the easiest and best to use.
Edited, Jun 29th 2008 2:06am by Maulgak
Of course if you really don't care and are in it solely for the fun, then feel free to plug in points as you see fit :) Groups won't like you, but if you were soloing that wouldn't matter at all. If you do care though and want to be the best asset to your group possible, then you need to put the majority of your points into one tree (whichever role you decide you want most) and just focus on that, with a few points possibly in a second tree: but never all 3 trees.
PS: much <3 for using the WoW.com talent calculator :D imo it's the easiest and best to use.
Edited, Jun 29th 2008 2:06am by Maulgak
Ok ill just stick to my ret until SoC then Holy all the way build
Does this look better?
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/paladin/talents.html?tal=5055310052013250135100000000000000000000000523000130000000000000
Edited, Jun 29th 2008 7:10am by Inuakurei
Does this look better?
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/paladin/talents.html?tal=5055310052013250135100000000000000000000000523000130000000000000
Edited, Jun 29th 2008 7:10am by Inuakurei
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Personally, I would put the first five talent points into Divine Intellect and not Divine Strength, you're going to need more mana.
Other than that the only thing I would change would be the three points later in the tree from Blessed Life to Light's Grace if you're planning on healing in a raid.
Other than that the only thing I would change would be the three points later in the tree from Blessed Life to Light's Grace if you're planning on healing in a raid.
Nix imp SoR. If you're seriously going to melee, you already have SoCom, you can't use 2 judgements at the same time.
Switch to divine intellect as the last poster said. It makes a big difference.
Blessed life is about as useful as.... actually there's nothing as useless as Blessed Life. Maybe Bodi <3
Switch to divine intellect as the last poster said. It makes a big difference.
Blessed life is about as useful as.... actually there's nothing as useless as Blessed Life. Maybe Bodi <3
For leveling, with the changes made by the 2 above me, it's fine. Once you make it to 60 though it won't really do you any good. Seal of Command works well with melee stats and a big, slow, 2H. Holy on the other hand does much better with spell damage and the use of Seal of Righteousness. Once hitting Outland content this will more often than not mean a 1H + shield, which is absolutely terrible when combined with Seal of Command.
Again, it's a fine leveling build if that's the way you choose to go. Once you hit 60 you should decide what you want to do most, then respec your talents to reflect hat path: healing, tanking, DPS. At level 60 with the build you want, this is how I'd have my talents spent. At this point it'd be best to go to a more 'pure' build using only talents that mesh well together. Some ideas are in the FAQ, or if you want I'm sure someone (maybe me later) could link some in this thread for you.
Again, it's a fine leveling build if that's the way you choose to go. Once you hit 60 you should decide what you want to do most, then respec your talents to reflect hat path: healing, tanking, DPS. At level 60 with the build you want, this is how I'd have my talents spent. At this point it'd be best to go to a more 'pure' build using only talents that mesh well together. Some ideas are in the FAQ, or if you want I'm sure someone (maybe me later) could link some in this thread for you.
Ok i think i get it, i already kinda messed up by not putting points in divint intliect, but ill fix that later. one more question, what would be a good pvp build?
Edit: btw, yes i was going for a good leveling build, later on i will respec
Edited, Jun 30th 2008 6:25am by Inuakurei
Edit: btw, yes i was going for a good leveling build, later on i will respec
Edited, Jun 30th 2008 6:25am by Inuakurei
I don't PvP much, but since I am still up ;) I will lend my 2 copper.
This is a PvP healing build linked in the FAQ. The keys are picking up some of the talents in the Protection tree: namely Improved Righteous Fury and Improved Concentration Aura. These will help tremendously in a PvP setting to increase your survivability. Also notice Stoicism and Unyielding Faith, both talents a non-PvPer probably wouldn't wind up taking, but both useful against many opponents in PvP.
I'm not sure there are really many varieties to this build. I suppose you could take a few points out of Holy and drop them into Improved Hammer of Justice, but as a healer, I don't know how often you're out stunning people. Again, I don't PvP much, but I have a general idea of what's going on ;)
If you were going Ret for PvP, this is the Ret PvP build in the FAQ. It sacrifices some of the less-useful Ret talents to gain survivability.
Edited, Jun 30th 2008 4:05am by Maulgak
This is a PvP healing build linked in the FAQ. The keys are picking up some of the talents in the Protection tree: namely Improved Righteous Fury and Improved Concentration Aura. These will help tremendously in a PvP setting to increase your survivability. Also notice Stoicism and Unyielding Faith, both talents a non-PvPer probably wouldn't wind up taking, but both useful against many opponents in PvP.
I'm not sure there are really many varieties to this build. I suppose you could take a few points out of Holy and drop them into Improved Hammer of Justice, but as a healer, I don't know how often you're out stunning people. Again, I don't PvP much, but I have a general idea of what's going on ;)
If you were going Ret for PvP, this is the Ret PvP build in the FAQ. It sacrifices some of the less-useful Ret talents to gain survivability.
Edited, Jun 30th 2008 4:05am by Maulgak
I mention a couple of sort-of hybrid paths in my own leveling. I did this to increase my survivability without hampering my ability to deal damage (too much anyway). As I mentioned in the FAQ, I went down a path in Ret to grab SoC, and then went down holy until lvl 61. This pretty much just got me to Holy Shock then I had to stop.
The reason I did this was for survivability and mana efficiency. Before the nerf to Illumination, I would have all of the best Ret gear I could find, and therefore hit pretty damn hard. I usually wouldnt even have to heal in a fight with another class, I would just win. If I DID had to heal, I could force a crit holy light on myself, effectively bringing myself to full, and not have wasted any mana doing it. This also reduced downtime while leveling, as I didn't have to stop and drink that often. As soon as I needed a heal after grinding mobs, it was a free health bar every 2 minutes or so. This has been reduced somewhat by the Illumination nerf, but it still kinda works.
The drawback to doing this was that I couldn't put out as much damage as I would have if I was retribution. Aside from some crit bonus and slight damage bonus though, the 2 biggest talents to greatly improve your dps are Seal of Command, and Crusader Strike. I already had one, and wasn't even high enough to get the either, so it didn't really matter much. I never geared for int or spell damage or anything like that for the holy side, just grabbed as much strength as I could and the stamina that came with it.
My other hybrid I did at 61. I knew once I got into outlands I would want to tank. However, I didn't want to give up my current single-target strategy from the ret side. So I kept my same gearing philopsophy, but I changed my talents to 10/31/11, grabbing Spiritual Focus, Holy Shield, and Seal of Command. This allowed me to tank instances, retain my ability to heal myself through damage, and stlil have SoC for dealing damage. With Reckoning this allowed me to grind a little faster, not as fast as if I was full ret, but still well enough, and the tanking stats let me tank instances and solo group quests. I had to have a seperate set of gear for tanking though.
Anyway... this was just more of an elaboration on my talent choices as I leveled, I particularly enjoyed doing this, and it worked out for me. It's not for everyone, and if I had to do it again I probably just would have went Ret while leveling through outlands since I didn't tank as much as I thought I was going to.
The reason I did this was for survivability and mana efficiency. Before the nerf to Illumination, I would have all of the best Ret gear I could find, and therefore hit pretty damn hard. I usually wouldnt even have to heal in a fight with another class, I would just win. If I DID had to heal, I could force a crit holy light on myself, effectively bringing myself to full, and not have wasted any mana doing it. This also reduced downtime while leveling, as I didn't have to stop and drink that often. As soon as I needed a heal after grinding mobs, it was a free health bar every 2 minutes or so. This has been reduced somewhat by the Illumination nerf, but it still kinda works.
The drawback to doing this was that I couldn't put out as much damage as I would have if I was retribution. Aside from some crit bonus and slight damage bonus though, the 2 biggest talents to greatly improve your dps are Seal of Command, and Crusader Strike. I already had one, and wasn't even high enough to get the either, so it didn't really matter much. I never geared for int or spell damage or anything like that for the holy side, just grabbed as much strength as I could and the stamina that came with it.
My other hybrid I did at 61. I knew once I got into outlands I would want to tank. However, I didn't want to give up my current single-target strategy from the ret side. So I kept my same gearing philopsophy, but I changed my talents to 10/31/11, grabbing Spiritual Focus, Holy Shield, and Seal of Command. This allowed me to tank instances, retain my ability to heal myself through damage, and stlil have SoC for dealing damage. With Reckoning this allowed me to grind a little faster, not as fast as if I was full ret, but still well enough, and the tanking stats let me tank instances and solo group quests. I had to have a seperate set of gear for tanking though.
Anyway... this was just more of an elaboration on my talent choices as I leveled, I particularly enjoyed doing this, and it worked out for me. It's not for everyone, and if I had to do it again I probably just would have went Ret while leveling through outlands since I didn't tank as much as I thought I was going to.
okies i think i know what i m going to do now. but theres just one thing im worried about. i know as a holy paladin i wont be doing a whole lot of dmg, but is holy paladin dmg even worth it?
Also in pvp, as a holy paladin, is mass healing the only thing ill be able to do? i guess what im saying is will i still be able to kill other classes. I dont mind healing, just i dont want to heal 24/7, expecially in pvp
Also in pvp, as a holy paladin, is mass healing the only thing ill be able to do? i guess what im saying is will i still be able to kill other classes. I dont mind healing, just i dont want to heal 24/7, expecially in pvp
At 70, trying to kill a different class in a BG will turn into a long and grueling process that will usually end with one of your teammates coming over and finishing them off for you.
Inuakurei wrote:
okies i think i know what i m going to do now. but theres just one thing im worried about. i know as a holy paladin i wont be doing a whole lot of dmg, but is holy paladin dmg even worth it?
Also in pvp, as a holy paladin, is mass healing the only thing ill be able to do? i guess what im saying is will i still be able to kill other classes. I dont mind healing, just i dont want to heal 24/7, expecially in pvp
Also in pvp, as a holy paladin, is mass healing the only thing ill be able to do? i guess what im saying is will i still be able to kill other classes. I dont mind healing, just i dont want to heal 24/7, expecially in pvp
Holy pally damage in the extreme short-run is just fine. Don't expect to solo burn an enemy down from full life, but Holy Shock and Hammer of Wrath are good finishing moves that can prevent your opponent from running off with 5% life. You can also do alright in one-on-one combat against any rogues, warriors, and other pallies who don't pay sufficient attention to your Consecration/Flash of Light spam combo until it's too late. Your bread-and-butter, however, is mass healing and cleansing. You keep others alive because they can do the actual killing part much more efficiently than you.
If you really want to succeed in PVP, just keep repeating to yourself "Killing Blows is a meaningless statistic" until it sinks in.
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