I finally made the switch..Follow

To combat swords. I leveled to 70 duoing with a Priest, so I took advantage of Mind Blast's threat generation to Mutilate a lot. After spending enough time reading how combat swords is superior, though, I decided to switch. Now I have a minor dilemma though.

My guild is taking me to Karazhan tomorrow. We're a small guild, and we're still progressing in there, so my dps will be important. For daggers I have the S1 MH and the S2 OH (I didn't realize how close S4 was when I got the MH). All I was able to find for swords yet was the SSO rep ones (MH and OH). I'm regretting spending 27k honor on the daggers now, but until I can farm enough for the swords, I'm stuck with these. I won't have time to get anything new before Kara, most likely, because my Saturday is shot. The question, simply enough, is which build is likely to do more dps? I rather suspect mutilate will with those weapons, but I want to be sure. My armory is in my sig; gear/gem advice is also welcome. (My server is low pop and not all gems are available when I'd like; it took me long enough to get the RED.)

Also, I'm up to 26 badges now, and wondering what my first purchase should be. I've been eyeing the Master Assassin's Wristwraps because my bracers are my worst gear spot. I honestly doubt I'm kara ready right now, but my guild wants me to go, so eh - more badges, I guess. Thanks in advance!

Dude, you are plenty geared for starting kara. I was in SSC/TK with the old blue pvp sword MH and latros offhand (i fianlly gave in & arena'd for sword when S2 came out). Just make sure you keep up a proper cycle & you g2g on bosses. Trash Dps doesnt matter so dont worry about that. Red socket =agi/hit always, yello = pure hit or agi/hit (i go with pure), and 2 blue sockets = agi/stam (ap/stam you're desperate, but you'll just repelace them with agi/stam anyways. Now go off & enjoy kara. as far as thos ebracers, strength stack swith kings (if you already have salvation) and at least they give you 10 hit. so not great, but definitely not a terribad choice. Just start working on your upgrades.

On a side not,e i farmed 150 badges in 2 weeks without a real full kara clear either time, lemme tell you about burnout... I should have gone ofr tunic/trousers....


Edit: and before you just get it linked/yelled at. check teh dps spreadsheet with your gear/spec in it & see what gives the highest dps.

Edited, Jun 29th 2008 3:46am by deaded

I'd go with combat daggers until you can get 91.1 or better swords. Mut has other problems in raids than just lower overall DPS compared to combat swords. This would also have the advantage of you being able to learn the habits and tricks of the combat spec.

Just my two pennies. Good luck and here's to phat lootz!

I only got the two blue gems to activate my RED, otherwise they're completely neglected. I've yet to find a socket bonus worth a blue gem, though that may change at some point.

I ended up doing +7 weapon damage, though this was mainly because I had just learned it and had the mats readily available. Glad to hear it's better than Fiery, though, and I'll stick with it until I get an upgrade worthy of Mongoose.

In case anyone cares (you probably don't), Kara went very well and we one-shotted Curator and those before him. Being the only real melee DPS, I got three upgrades and the first Violet Signet, so a nice night for me all around. Thanks again to everyone for the advice.

I find Mutilate to out DPS combat daggers.

Mutilate or combat daggers probably would be better dps for me, but I'm sticking with combat swords because the fight that gave us the worst trouble has been Curator due to a lack of dps. Frankly, it can be damned hard to tell what the backside of a floating light is (I had a similar issue on the endboss of Steam Vaults). We can't afford to lose the dps we need just for a slightly faster kill, and what we have now is working fine.

I recently specced for PvP in order to farm massive amounts of honor, so hopefully S2 swords aren't too far away. After that it'll be a clear winner and no need to worry about it anymore.

Actually Therion, I'd disagree on those 3 bosses. Particularly since none of them are 100% time-in dps fights. Fights were cycles are interrupted frequently, are significantly worse for combat daggers over any other build, in my experience.

I agree with Therion on that, on Maiden I can get a good 700+ DPS going, but on fights like Prince, which require a lot of running, I can only get around 500-600 DPS. However, I tend to like the fights that I have to run around on, because it can give me time to regen my energy back, and I can usually get off two Mutilates in a row after running back in. Those two quick Mutilates, especially if they crit, make up for the lost dmg spent running or, at least, make up for some of it.

It's actually Fleet Footed that will give you more dps on movement fights. Theoretically, if a combat rogue doesn't have Cat's Swiftness, you'll be moving 15% faster, thus have 15% more time in to dps.

A theoretical fight where the boss moves faster than the tank possibly can, and you have to stay on it the whole time.

I didn't even got a S1 and never did Klz gate quest. cause i only lv69 haa.
And looking for a guild :P