Low kara dps?Follow

I didn't understand your shot rotation?
Is it macro'd? If so, post it :)

(you can find it in your WOW folder under World of Warcraft\WTF\Account\[account name]\macros-cache.txt)

Edited, Jun 27th 2008 11:02am by Kelnoen

Thanks for the replies guys.

Not sure what you mean geared for pvp since I've only got 1 piece of pvp gear on. I plan on getting the badge chest within the next few days, I'm at 88 badges. I know prince's bow should have the crit, just got the pattern the other day and actually forgot that it needed it.

As for the gemming, since I'm replacing my chest I wasn't about to spend any gold on those gems and several of the other attack power gems are epic ones that I happend to get so I figured I'd use them. Not too much stam on my gems so my health is mostly from gear, I figured it didn't hurt. I know agi should be my main priority for gemming so I guess I'll replace the epic attack power ones for agi.

Now the leg enchant I choose for the agi, not the stam. I know the other one might give me more dps in other spec's, but the agi I though would be better for survival. Am I wrong?

Now with the new badge chest I think I'm going to be short on gems for my meta gem. Is there a replacement that I should look at getting? I know my engineering helm is pretty good, but is there something else that would be better for survival spec that has more agi maybe?

Here's my shot rotation now that I can copy it from in game...

/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/castsequence reset=3/target !auto shot, steady shot
/castrandom arcane shot, multi-shot
/cast [exists,target=pettarget,nodead] kill command
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1

Should I look at going back to BM considering my gear? Would Dorie's embrace and/or the two Kal'thas swords be worth equiping? Thanks guys for the replies.

Triptan

Yes. You're going to contribute So much more DPS from having the AP/Crit from the cobrahide/nethercobra. Keep in mind that even though you're losing 10 Agi (which is 1.5 more AP for EW), you're going to gain 2-3 raw DPS from the AP, and more uptime for EW with the Crit rating.



You can achieve the meta gem bonus with as little as 4 gems: 2 orange/2 purple, or 2 red/2 green. If you put an orange gem in your new Chestpiece, and an purple gem in your boots, you will be able to keep that bonus. If you want to replace your helm, run some BGs and get the S2 helm- it has 37 agility on it. It's a really nice helm. I'm trying to get it to replace my Tier 4 helm.



Looks good. I'd just make sure to have a copy of that macro that does not have multi-shot for situations with lots of CC.



Are you talking about the Quickening Blades, or the Breeching comets? The blades... Probably not so great. The S3 axe that you have is really great for BM. If you want SV weapons, go with dual-wielding Breeching Comet would be a good choice.

In general, your Agility is too low, and your hit is WAY too high. As a Draenei SV hunter, you only need 78 hit (you have 3% hit from Surefooted, and 1% hit from heroic presence). My suggestion is that if you REALLY REALLY like survival, just go back to BM until you can replace all the pieces of gear you have that don't have agility (helm, necklace, melee weapon and ring).

Get a level 70 green ring of Agi. The one I have for survival is only very slightly less DPS than any of the Kara epic rings, assuming hit capped its only a couple of AP less and a very small amount of crit% less (less than .1% iirc) before taking into account the extra AP from EW and has far more agi.

Edited, Jun 27th 2008 9:48pm by Ieatrocks

Doesn't Surefooted make the Hunter's hit cap 95?

Nevermind, I got my answer.

Reason for edit: I need to L2Read before I post. /facepalm

Edited, Jun 29th 2008 3:29am by Krile

Just wait until you get further into the raiding scene, Sloshot. BM will outdps MM even if the MM had every threat reduction tool in the game on him. Threat generation is a very very small part of the reasons MM isn't a raidbuild anymore.

Progression does not equal terrible. Obviously the poster is progressing with like geared players which is a real challenge (I am there myself). I can pull aggro from a better geared tank with ease (feel free to look at my armory and call me a NOOB if it makes you feel good). Nothing wrong with being proud of #1, keep hunters there, it is good for our underappreciated class. Also, big crits seem to plague the MM hunter in my guild (can't get him to respec), a couple of big crits with the slower, higher damage weapon will pull aggro. BM damage is lower but quicker and steadier, therefore much easier to anticipate threat, IMO.

This does not change the fact that the smart guys have already figured out that BM is basically the only viable spec for Kara (assuming you want to maximize your contribution and are not playing the fun card). So respec and enjoy being the top DPS.

First, you don't appear to have read the post you quoted. The issue was not with having a poor tank, it was from having crits make Slo's damage bursty and inconsistent. Which makes some sense from having just upgraded to a piece of S3, although the true impact would depend greatly on the item being replaced.

Second, 800 DPS is excellent for Kara. 350 is a decent entry level, and progressing with your Guild through Kara you don't get to 800 until you're pretty much geared out. If Slo has 800 DPS that's another easy call for why aggro is a problem. If running with lesser geared (read: not "terrible", just lesser geared) players a Hunter can coast a bit and not have to chain guzzle Fel Mana pots to deliver respectable DPS in context with the rest of the raid.

And Slo, you can still deal a lot of DPS if you remember to open with a MD. Set up a MD macro so you don't even have to stop pew-pewing to fire the second MD after it cools down. And encourage that BM Hunter to rotate MDs with you, too. And of course FD is your friend, don't save it to avoid repair costs (I'm not saying you do), use it to help the raid not need to worry about repair cost inducing wipes.

Edited, Jul 1st 2008 1:50am by Kompera

No. Slow has close to the same AP as me in survival and my multis crit for on average (according to recount from me running around doing my dailies) 1513. Add in raidbuffs and I'd imagine he's hitting for at least a couple hundred harder. 800 DPS from any DPS class in Kara is very respectable ( I didn't start breaking 1K until virtually full T4+ geared and 1:1 spam isn't (wasn't) difficult).

I suppose you missed the bit about the first half dozen shots in his post? There is no warrior or druid I've played with on the server (and I've run with tanks that are in T6) that I can't out TPS in the first several seconds of a fight especially if I get an unlukcy (or lucky?) string of crits. Equally geared tanks I'm not safe with until at least a second ( or third depending on the length of the fight) FD and that's including the use of misdirect. If you can't out TPS your tank either he way outgears you, or you fail as a DPS.

Use of FD does not remotely guarantee safety either. I've thrown my first flop, popped up, and been on the heels of the tank well before my FD was up again on many occasions (especially as survival, and I'd assume marks has this problem as well). With a string of crits I can easily be sitting at 9K threat in 6 seconds, and I seriously doubt any tank wearing, at best, Kara gear can touch that.

Kompera's right. Back in the Ye Olde days when Karazhan was actually considered a raid instance, we were mostly kitted out in various blues, sometimes cross-class blues even. Epics? You rarely saw one until you got yourself some gloves from Attumen and the Violet ring. When I look at what the new 70s face these days compared to what we did, I can't help but wonder how much of a shock they are going to get when they can't get free epics anymore.

When the bosses will trounce them because they haven't learned how to maximize their dps through skill and teamwork instead of relying on their basically free epics. When the high-end raiding guilds laugh at their applications because they are kitted out in PvP gear only instead of showing they know how to take down tactics bosses. When they have to farm Resist gear for the fun-fun dps gimped bosses.

Getting to 70 is easymode these days. Getting to full epic is almost as easy. Moving on to harder stuff? Blizzard's coddled the new 70s for so long most of them ain't going to be able to handle it. I actually saw a new Hunter complain about the Quel'danas dailies because it took so long. What? 30-40 minutes for around 75-100g? He also whined about how to get gear so he could get into raiding Karazhan. It was too hard and timeconsuming.

Now I'm working my way up to a nice frothing rage, nice. I'll just finish this rant now and go take out my anger on an unsuspecting wall in dire need of some paint. It will be the most violent layer of paint ever laid, fortunately it will also cover the bruises I'll inflict.

if you really wanna stay marks, wait until he has few K threat before you even MD (Or alternately have the other hunter MD first and just stand there till he's done). By the time it wears off you'll probably be ~12-15K behind (more quite possibly if the other hunter MD'd)and can safely dps for a while. If you can make it to the second Feign without significant problems you'll usually be golden. Just hit the deck whenever your CD is up after that.

depending on weaponspeed either get the 3:2 macro or the 1:1 macro and manually replace a steady with a multi when it's up.
And dont forget to pop BW alongside your trinkets and all that every 2 minutes.


That's about it I guess :P