In the spirit of some other posters who have come to this forum asking for tips on fighting druids (usually feral), I ask my Cenarion brethren and sistren -- how do we kill you?
I'm feral, and we're hopeless (as you know) against any healing spec. But with no mortal strikes, mana burns, viper stings or dispels, we're probably the most hopeless against our resto cousins. I've always wanted to try some resto PvP but am too busy trying to get through all the end-game lvl 70 content w my druid to respec and build a new gear set. Still, I'm curious. When I venture into a BG and watch a resto at work, I'm always in awe. They seem pretty indestructible.
So, restos, who kills you (obviously not ferals) and how?
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Scholar
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Anything that drains mana or has very good burst damage. Most healing reductions I can live through with a bit of Bear Form and Lifebloom jumping as long as its not 3 on 1.
Locks can sit there and laugh at me while they Drain Mana/Life and Fear.
Hunters hurt. Aimed Shot, Viper Sting (dispellable but it takes time I'd rather spend on somethign else), Silencing Shot, Arcane Shot, and The Beast Within combined with Intimidation to make me soak big hits are all painful.
Healers are impossible, I've had 1 on 1 fights with other healers that lasted almost an hour before I quit.
Everything else is either kiteable or easily healable, especially Mages/Rogues.
Locks can sit there and laugh at me while they Drain Mana/Life and Fear.
Hunters hurt. Aimed Shot, Viper Sting (dispellable but it takes time I'd rather spend on somethign else), Silencing Shot, Arcane Shot, and The Beast Within combined with Intimidation to make me soak big hits are all painful.
Healers are impossible, I've had 1 on 1 fights with other healers that lasted almost an hour before I quit.
Everything else is either kiteable or easily healable, especially Mages/Rogues.
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I don't know man. I've seen hunters Viper sting resto druids to 0 mana... then they innervate and cheetah around and they're back up to 9k mana. It's a real b*tch to kill.
Speaking of 1 hour fights... I was in a 2v2 rated match against a resto druid and resto shaman team... it never ended until one of us left after ~45 minutes
Speaking of 1 hour fights... I was in a 2v2 rated match against a resto druid and resto shaman team... it never ended until one of us left after ~45 minutes
destro locks tend to do pretty well. mages are excellent if they can keep the druid in one place (see mage/rogue 2's comp). but other than that, no class should kill a resto druid of equal gear reliably. in non-arena pvp the druid will either completely outlast their opponent or just run away.
this includes rogues too. rogues do decently vs druids, but played right its not terribly hard to outlive the rogue. pve-geared sub rogues are the exception to this, but thatll change come next patch. rogues are still one of the best classes to lock a druid down while another class, preferably a caster of some kind, kills the druid with spells.
this includes rogues too. rogues do decently vs druids, but played right its not terribly hard to outlive the rogue. pve-geared sub rogues are the exception to this, but thatll change come next patch. rogues are still one of the best classes to lock a druid down while another class, preferably a caster of some kind, kills the druid with spells.
Scholar
37 posts
Ferals can kill resto's, however you need to be smart (and high burst damage helps). The key is switch forms to maximize you're stun/spell interrupting capabilities (The bonus on the S3/4 gloves is also very handy.
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If I recall, Shamans! not big on pvp though the couple arenas I did it was either Shamans or priests but I was getting my buffs/heals striped almost as fast as I could put them up.
My enhancement shaman fought a resto druid once and went oom from purging and ES interrupting while the druid was happily regrowthing away. It's pretty tough for them and you'd think they were tailor-made to kill the guys.
A feral can take down a resto druid very fast if none of the stuns/interrupts are resisted. If the resto manages to resist once or get off a quick heal it will turn into an hour long fight :P
When fighting any healing class i usually try and see if my initial burst damage + stuns are enough and then disengage if he isn't dead by then. It's a waste of time to keep chasing after him (doesn't apply to arenas ofc. Can't just disengange in arenas and go fishing :P)
When fighting any healing class i usually try and see if my initial burst damage + stuns are enough and then disengage if he isn't dead by then. It's a waste of time to keep chasing after him (doesn't apply to arenas ofc. Can't just disengange in arenas and go fishing :P)
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How do you kill a resto druid?
Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Or roll Holy Priest and be very patient.
Ironically, I dipped my fury paw into Arena last night with a resto shaman partner (what a combo, eh?) and we managed to kill a resto druid/arms warrior due to, I'm sure, them sucking and being undergeared. Between the shaman purging and me being able to outrun the resto with the PvP gear 4-piece bonus we just basically ran him oom while the warrior kept scratching at earth shield. But it took forever (I got off three nature's grasps as the warrior chased me chasing his partner). A really fun fight but one I'm sure won't be replicated soon.
Scholar
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I don't typically kill a resto alone. But if my team is tryin to cap a node, I'll always go after em anyways :) I figure if I can put up as much damage as possible on the druid, that's healing/cc that's not going out to his team-mates' benefit. A resto druid left alone will turn the tide of battle easily - cyclone, roots, strong heals, charging/bashing.
I've certainly tried tho ;) I've tried using my stuns as wisely as possible, but they always manage to slip away at some point and throw on a rejuv and a few LB's in the time it takes me to chase him back down. Those few hots alone will out-heal an impressive amount of incoming damage. Which takes me back to the first paragraph hehe...
-B
I've certainly tried tho ;) I've tried using my stuns as wisely as possible, but they always manage to slip away at some point and throw on a rejuv and a few LB's in the time it takes me to chase him back down. Those few hots alone will out-heal an impressive amount of incoming damage. Which takes me back to the first paragraph hehe...
-B
In my ventures as a resto druid I'm only geared for pve and raid content, but I did wander down the path of pvp in arathi basin. I hadn't really truely experienced trying to kill a tree before so I wondered how I would fair.
Well....
Apparently w/o any form of resilence I was taking on a rogue and warrior w/o even dropping below 70% health. A third melee was added and things seemed to get harder and harder... Until the ranged caster came and shred me into paper.
So honestly I couldn't tell you how to kill a resto other than, bring friends or stunlock and waste em away.
Well....
Apparently w/o any form of resilence I was taking on a rogue and warrior w/o even dropping below 70% health. A third melee was added and things seemed to get harder and harder... Until the ranged caster came and shred me into paper.
So honestly I couldn't tell you how to kill a resto other than, bring friends or stunlock and waste em away.
As for me and my shockadin arena partner, we don't;
We (shockadin and me, rogue) got up in a fight between a resto druid and warlock earlier... We bashed the lock and timed CD on the druid well enough to kill it in no time. Then we spend about 5 minutes chasing the druid around, me doing some semi-stunlocks now and then, and him absolutly not even going below 50% hit points untill he went OOM, used his innervate and went OOM again. End results were we did about 80K damage to him alone.
Luckily we were doing skirmish, but I'm in fact beginning to wonder how to kill *any* team with a resto druid at all. Stunlocking won't work, even if you get his partner down low the druid trinkets and insta heals him to full. Focussing the druid won't work either since my partner will break gouge, blind and sap needed to keep him stunLOCKED... and one small gap allows a full heal.
Is finding a healer companion and outlasting him really my only posibility? Is it impossible to fight a resto druid and kill him within 2 minutes?
We (shockadin and me, rogue) got up in a fight between a resto druid and warlock earlier... We bashed the lock and timed CD on the druid well enough to kill it in no time. Then we spend about 5 minutes chasing the druid around, me doing some semi-stunlocks now and then, and him absolutly not even going below 50% hit points untill he went OOM, used his innervate and went OOM again. End results were we did about 80K damage to him alone.
Luckily we were doing skirmish, but I'm in fact beginning to wonder how to kill *any* team with a resto druid at all. Stunlocking won't work, even if you get his partner down low the druid trinkets and insta heals him to full. Focussing the druid won't work either since my partner will break gouge, blind and sap needed to keep him stunLOCKED... and one small gap allows a full heal.
Is finding a healer companion and outlasting him really my only posibility? Is it impossible to fight a resto druid and kill him within 2 minutes?
How to kill a resto druid:
1. Force him to trinket something.
2. Catch him in caster form.
3. Stunlock and nuke his *** down.
4. Profit
If you don't pull off the first three with near-perfection, no profit for you.
1. Force him to trinket something.
2. Catch him in caster form.
3. Stunlock and nuke his *** down.
4. Profit
If you don't pull off the first three with near-perfection, no profit for you.
In that case;
How do I stunlock a resto druid effectively?
Assuming his trinket is down, at best I go cheap shot, gouge, kidney shot, blind, sap, repeat. When my partner is helping with damage, gouge, blind and sap are ruled out. Should I go cheap shot, kidney shot, vanish, cheap shot, and hope kidney shot is back up?
The problem is even WITH a companion helping out, I cannot stun a resto druid long enough to kill him. Druid example I mentioned was in season 2, I'm in s1 and my companion is in season 2 as well.
How do I stunlock a resto druid effectively?
Assuming his trinket is down, at best I go cheap shot, gouge, kidney shot, blind, sap, repeat. When my partner is helping with damage, gouge, blind and sap are ruled out. Should I go cheap shot, kidney shot, vanish, cheap shot, and hope kidney shot is back up?
The problem is even WITH a companion helping out, I cannot stun a resto druid long enough to kill him. Druid example I mentioned was in season 2, I'm in s1 and my companion is in season 2 as well.
Make sure you don't forget Wound Poison whenever you are fighting a dps/healer team. Druids have the easiest time dispelling a rogue's MS effect, but it's still a GCD that they could have spent stacking hot's. if they dont, then half their NS+HT or RJ+SM goes to waste.
With your shammy arena partner, the druid will be FORCED to keep on the run or in bear form, both of which druids are good at, but only 1 of which you cannot prevent. Between slowing them with poison, shock, or totem and your rogue-MS effect + double cheap shot and kidney shot, a S2 resto druid doesnt have much of a chance without his arena partner. Throw in a little mace stunning and you two are golden.
Also, remember to time that stun lock with your shaman partner so the druid is in LOS and has nowhere to run out of LOS if he escapes stun lock.
With your shammy arena partner, the druid will be FORCED to keep on the run or in bear form, both of which druids are good at, but only 1 of which you cannot prevent. Between slowing them with poison, shock, or totem and your rogue-MS effect + double cheap shot and kidney shot, a S2 resto druid doesnt have much of a chance without his arena partner. Throw in a little mace stunning and you two are golden.
Also, remember to time that stun lock with your shaman partner so the druid is in LOS and has nowhere to run out of LOS if he escapes stun lock.
Heh... it's shockadin I typed, as in holy shock/dps specced paladin, not a shaman =)
I don't see it work though. Sure, I'll give it a shot, but with diminishing returns on stun a double cheap shot and kidney shot is at most a ~12 second stun. If the druid gets low in travel form, it might work. If we catch him in bear however, it is simply not enough to kill him, EVEN with a (2/2 improved) expose armor on him. And if anything misses or the druid gets >20% it's insta full heal.
And keep in mind; me or my partner don't have any kind of fear, thus, we never get to choose where a resto druid gets stunlocked. Mostly they spend their time running around the pillars, giving easy LOS capability should the stunlock break. There's nothing we can do about it.
I don't see it work though. Sure, I'll give it a shot, but with diminishing returns on stun a double cheap shot and kidney shot is at most a ~12 second stun. If the druid gets low in travel form, it might work. If we catch him in bear however, it is simply not enough to kill him, EVEN with a (2/2 improved) expose armor on him. And if anything misses or the druid gets >20% it's insta full heal.
And keep in mind; me or my partner don't have any kind of fear, thus, we never get to choose where a resto druid gets stunlocked. Mostly they spend their time running around the pillars, giving easy LOS capability should the stunlock break. There's nothing we can do about it.
o! my bad.
In that case, wound and crippling poisons are a must. If you have no fears available, then try and estimate the resto's gear quality. A S3/4 druid will be a much more difficult target than a rep PVP/S2 geared druid.
My own druid gets raped by stun locks in the rep PvP set... If they catch me in anything but bear form and my medallion is on cd, my partner will soon be running solo, no matter what gear the opposing team is in.
That said, get a 235467987 sec pally stun on the druid and dps his partner. kiting him away from the druid and around another pillar will add precious time to your dps before an instant heal hits, giving you time to react with a stun lock while your shockadin partner finishes the non-resto.
I hope that wasn't confusing... "DONT FOCUS DPS THE HEALER till his dps is dead."
In that case, wound and crippling poisons are a must. If you have no fears available, then try and estimate the resto's gear quality. A S3/4 druid will be a much more difficult target than a rep PVP/S2 geared druid.
My own druid gets raped by stun locks in the rep PvP set... If they catch me in anything but bear form and my medallion is on cd, my partner will soon be running solo, no matter what gear the opposing team is in.
That said, get a 235467987 sec pally stun on the druid and dps his partner. kiting him away from the druid and around another pillar will add precious time to your dps before an instant heal hits, giving you time to react with a stun lock while your shockadin partner finishes the non-resto.
I hope that wasn't confusing... "DONT FOCUS DPS THE HEALER till his dps is dead."
That's what we currently do... With 2 rogues (my usual set up) it works... well, I won't say fine, but pretty nice... we just double blind the druid and unleash hell on his teammate. But with the shockadin it's just next to impossibly hard to stun and LOS the druid until we can drop his companion. I suppose it's the only way then... Resto druids are just ridiculous in 2v2 it seems...
Feral druids can kill resto druids. You can choose to cyclone the resto druid if he has a stack of lifeblooms on him, they wont heal him during the cyclone.
Use Maim everytime it's cooldown is up, it's not that hard really.
Are the resto druids you all are compainging about in S3 or S4 gear? Well no **** sherlock, they are going to be hard to kill. Anyone is in that kind of gear.
Edited, Jul 7th 2008 1:38pm by NeithanTheWronged
Use Maim everytime it's cooldown is up, it's not that hard really.
Are the resto druids you all are compainging about in S3 or S4 gear? Well no **** sherlock, they are going to be hard to kill. Anyone is in that kind of gear.
Edited, Jul 7th 2008 1:38pm by NeithanTheWronged
I'm not éven talking about S3 and S4 druids. Those are plainly ridiculous and can stay alive when you've got 3 DPS'ers going all out at them. I'm referring to S1 and/or S2 mainly.
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