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#1 Jun 26 2008 at 4:06 AM Rating: Good
I have a little problem.
We have balance druid in our raid group, who refuses to give out his innervate to our healers. He claims that balance druids should not give their innervate away, but resto and feral can.
Our specific situation is on Najentus, which is a quite healer intense fight. In other fights we dont have that problem, since the healers can preserve their mana throught the fights.
I know nothing about balance druids, so my question is: is that ok for balance druid to refuse to give away his innervate on that fight?
#2 Jun 26 2008 at 5:47 AM Rating: Decent
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As a Moonkin, we're basically DPS.

Except for a few fights with enrage timers, Heals always has priority. Hell, even in enrage timer situations. What's the point in you innervating yourself so you can dps more if the tank runs out of heals and gets killed?

I'd tell him (as a moonkin myself) if he's going to be a Richard about sharing, you'll boot him and get an elemental shammy or Spriest for the mana regen they bring if he isn't going to use his.

Edited, Jun 26th 2008 1:50pm by Micros
#3 Jun 26 2008 at 7:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Pretty simple. Can you win the fight without his Innervate? If you can't, then he should give it away. If you can, then he should keep it.
#4 Jun 26 2008 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
As a druid we are jacks of all trades masters of none.... as the sain goes. We do shine as healers with our hots and almost op healing and as tanks since all the warriors seem to have gone dps..:)

But as a Boomkin myself, in a raid we are not just dps, wecan never realy be at the top of the ddmg meters any ways if you are truely a raid spec. ( with imp mark of wild ( if no resto present) and fiery fire imp are a must) Thats what manainjectors and proper raid party compositions are for is keepig mana supply up.
I have just over 1k spell dmg and 9k or so helath/mana unbuffed and alot of times i cant get in the top 7 for dmg in a 25 man raid ( well with out ulling agro and dieing) but its not a huge concern for me. I do what the situation calls for and in many boss fights I'll end up healing and using my invinerate on a priest or pally.
I do wish blizzard would give us druid a nifty mana gem or life tap abbility. Or hey yeah maana gems non bop :)
But moonkins do have a Hight mp5 adding talents, and the great "touch of elune" ( melee stikes give back mana) if we get into a bind, but still not practicaal in most boss incounters.


My advice to you is to tell him if he wants to be in raids he needs to think of the raids sucess as a whole not just his/hers. He should be willing and able to give up an invinerate in a bossfight. He should be using starfire to conserve mana for the dps out put. yes I know wraith can stack a heck of alot more damge out then starfire but your mana goes down a heck of alot faster too.

Hell in my guild if it was a healer intense fight I was told to put on my resto gear and heal.

#5 Jun 26 2008 at 7:56 AM Rating: Decent
If it was a PUG I'd kick him in the time it took to type in the command. People who look out for themselves before the group shouldn't be in a group. The ONLY reason he might hold back oomervate is so he can use it if heals die, which wouldn't be a problem if he would use it on heals so they can save the tank. It's what I like to call a "huntard moment."
Bottom line, talk to the kid and if he won't change his mind find someone else.
#6 Jun 26 2008 at 8:26 AM Rating: Decent
Thanks alot for the replies.
I'd linked this thread on our forum, so he could se your oppinions.
#7 Jun 26 2008 at 9:17 AM Rating: Good
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DPS can back off and not result in a wipe (unless you're running REALLY close to the enrage timer). If healers have to back off, people die. If it's a DPS that dies, you just lost more total damage than what the moonkin could possibly gain by innervating himself.
#8 Jun 27 2008 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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I'll end up healing and using my invinerate on a priest or pally.

You should hardly ever(read:never) use your innervate on a pally. It's not stingy. It's just common sense. Innvervate boosts the spirit-based mana regen. Unfortunately, for pallies spirit is generally a very low priority, so they don't have a lot of it. Innervate is much more useful on a priest or druid.
#9 Jun 27 2008 at 11:26 AM Rating: Decent
yeah true :)
I i guess it boils down to who needs mana at the time when i used it. But true much better on a priest or druid.
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