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#1 Jun 24 2008 at 7:00 PM Rating: Decent
I'm probably getting WoW at the end of summer so here's my dilema

ok so In my long quest to decide what class I wanted I have gone through many things hunter, rogue, pally, basically every class and race except for gnomes, gnomes are lame... so I was talking to my friend and he told me about the shaman, something I had not yet considered, he told me what they can do and elemental(or whatever you call the spell-casting) caught my fancy, I wanted more information but basically all he could tell since he had never played one before me was that with the right gear they can deal out some awesome dps, I just want to know more in depth information about shamans, for example, what my role would be in a dungeon? would i be at all successful in PvP? stuff like that, and also do I have to focus on fire or earth spells? or can I do both? thank you in advance for sharing your experience with me.

Edited, Jun 24th 2008 11:05pm by RahuWhatElse
#2 Jun 24 2008 at 7:48 PM Rating: Decent
FAQ sticky @ top.
#3 Jun 24 2008 at 9:29 PM Rating: Decent
ok so I read it, but I also wanted some experienced shaman advice...
#4 Jun 25 2008 at 4:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Elemental shamans can do some amazing DPS, but all shamans a re gear dependant.
In a group you will fulfill the role of a ranged DPS class, and at lower levels you may have to be a healer just to make getting a group easier.
As far as pvp goes, shamans are pretty good at the lower levels and can still be good at the higher levels if you know what you are doing and have a good support class with you.
You do not need to focus on fire or earth spells, elemental shamans can use all of them equally for different purposes. the talents make them all better at the same time.

I have played strictly enhance and all of this information comes from other shamans i have played with or read posts from. good luck with your shaman and have fun
#5 Jun 25 2008 at 5:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok, besides the FAQ from my experience:

I play both, Elemental und Enhancement Shaman. I play "casual hardcore" if you like,
concentrating on PvE an I don´t like 25-raids.

If you are familiar with all the theorycraft and well equipped, you can be a
strong damage-dealer. As a hybrid class, I´m personally very satisfied with
the amount of damage I am able to deal. Remember that you have strong group
buffs and can heal yourself and others ! So you can hit the top-ranks, allthough
you are a hybrid class -> in my opinon more than fair, concerning all you "buff-potential"

In a dungeon you concentrate on dps and placing your totems for best support. Because
of your healing abilities, you might be able to step in when things get out of control
and save the day...if you are fast enough and aware of what you can do and you can´t do ;-)
Your range of spells is not that big, so you basically hit 2-3 buttons if you
are just casting (and maybe counter a caster yourself)

You depend on nature spells (lightnings), maybe there will also be a stronger part of
fire spells in the future (next addon)
    MAYBE
;-))

Leveling up is a pain in the **** until you hit about Level 40 ;-) you hardly die,
but so do your enemys ;p After that, your talents improve your "firepower" and the
fun starts !

PvP is right now not a Shamans shining side...to stay polite. But I avoid that where I can,
so I won´t comment that aspect.

This is a personal view, everyone experiences things different. I always loved
playing a Shaman.

One last hint: When you hit 70, also start equipping yourself with enhancement-gear.
You may want to switch from a caster to a melee-class sometime...and it´s big
fun too !
#6 Jun 25 2008 at 6:06 AM Rating: Decent
thanks for all the info =) and yea I wont have to worry about lvling being a pain in the **** till 40 because my friend said his guild will run me through all the low level dungeons to help me level...
#7 Jun 25 2008 at 3:07 PM Rating: Good
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Shamen are odd birds. The ones who cast spells aren't like traditional spell-casters (those would be mages and locks, with a wide range of spells that do different things). They basically zap things over and over with lightning bolts. The ones who melee can't tank. Both can do incredible damage, among the best in the game, but they have few defenses, especially in PvP. Their heals are usually pretty lousy without strong gear and the use of healing talents, which take away from damage-dealing ability.

The non-healing Shaman (I'm gonna avoid the plural if I can) is basically all about two things -- totems and luck. Totems are our special ability that make us more than just a half-baked mage or rogue. They are most useful in groups, though you drop them sometimes when soloing. You get one totem per element at a time -- those are your fire, earth, air and water spells that you juggle, and there are dozens of options. You have to use them very strategically. It's far more complicated than many other classes, which makes up for the rather simple ways a Shaman does damage (lightning bolts as elemental or autoattack/stormstrike as enhance, both with an occasional insta-cast shock thrown in).

Luck comes into play because, in contrast to the micro-management needed for totems, the Shaman's key offensive ability is based on a proc, basically a random chance for something to happen. For an enhancer it's windfury or for an elemental it's lightning overload. (I haven't played elemental but LO seems to be Blizz's attempt to introduce a wf-like proc system there, some greater mind can correct me if I'm wrong). If you like seeing suddenly huge numbers that no one in the game can match, it's fun. But you never know if it's gonna happen when you need it.
#8 Jun 25 2008 at 7:09 PM Rating: Decent
I was actually thinking of going mostly elemental with some resto thrown in for good measure, is this at all possible or even smart?
#9 Jun 26 2008 at 3:58 AM Rating: Excellent
tuskerdu wrote:
The ones who melee can't tank.


This seems to be a misconception for a lot of people. I've tanked quite a few instances when I was enhanced. In fact, my shammy friend tanked a heroic not too long ago as elemental! It's just a matter of gear and ability. Although, shammies (since we're on the subject of tanking), would be better off-tanking if anything. I've been in groups where there were enhanced shammies tanking mobs that have come directly to me (the healer).

It's possible, it's just that people don't think of it.

RahuWhatElse wrote:
I was actually thinking of going mostly elemental with some resto thrown in for good measure, is this at all possible or even smart?
Yes you can do this. Going from 1-60, I had been enhanced (with Resto thrown in), and then from 60-70, elemental with resto. Check out these builds for an idea on the typs of spec you're looking for.

Elemental PVE - from FAQ

Enhancement - from FAQ

Enhancement - variation
#10 Jun 26 2008 at 5:51 AM Rating: Good
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tuskerdu wrote:
Shamen are odd birds. The ones who cast spells aren't like traditional spell-casters (those would be mages and locks, with a wide range of spells that do different things). They basically zap things over and over with lightning bolts. The ones who melee can't tank. Both can do incredible damage, among the best in the game, but they have few defenses, especially in PvP. Their heals are usually pretty lousy without strong gear and the use of healing talents, which take away from damage-dealing ability.

The non-healing Shaman (I'm gonna avoid the plural if I can) is basically all about two things -- totems and luck. Totems are our special ability that make us more than just a half-baked mage or rogue. They are most useful in groups, though you drop them sometimes when soloing. You get one totem per element at a time -- those are your fire, earth, air and water spells that you juggle, and there are dozens of options. You have to use them very strategically. It's far more complicated than many other classes, which makes up for the rather simple ways a Shaman does damage (lightning bolts as elemental or autoattack/stormstrike as enhance, both with an occasional insta-cast shock thrown in).

Luck comes into play because, in contrast to the micro-management needed for totems, the Shaman's key offensive ability is based on a proc, basically a random chance for something to happen. For an enhancer it's windfury or for an elemental it's lightning overload. (I haven't played elemental but LO seems to be Blizz's attempt to introduce a wf-like proc system there, some greater mind can correct me if I'm wrong). If you like seeing suddenly huge numbers that no one in the game can match, it's fun. But you never know if it's gonna happen when you need it.


Plural of Shaman is Shamans, not Shamen

Edit: Hey Noc, as of this post you have exactly 1000 more posts than me.

Edited, Jun 26th 2008 9:52am by Ailitardif
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#11 Jun 26 2008 at 6:08 AM Rating: Good
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
Edit: Hey Noc, as of this post you have exactly 1000 more posts than me.


Woo! Well crap, now you need to post a few more
#12 Jun 26 2008 at 8:30 AM Rating: Good
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A shaman can tank like a boomkin can tank, a rogue can tank, a hunter pet can tank. It is possible, it is done usually in an emergency or for fun with an overgeared group, but it is not optimal and no one should roll a shaman expecting to tank.

I haven't done elemental but elemental/resto seems fine. Many elementals I see are 40/21. Lots of synergy between first few tiers of resto and the other two trees.
#13 Jun 26 2008 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
so will leveling be as easy if I do elemental/resto instead of enhancement/resto?
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