I <3 MutilateFollow

I won't pretend I've got years of experience playing combat, but yeah, I've tried it. The "stability" it gives bores me since most fights are basically a hit points race since I'm not killable and I need to very slowly but steadily take my enemy down. That's what I love about subtlety. The odd bursts, constant running around/action and mobility (trough ShS) are what make me feel that I'm playing a rogue. Not just a random guy with a sword doing nothing but melee attacks.

Roflpwnt.

edit: failquote.

Edited, Jul 5th 2008 12:08am by zepoodle

You're a bad rogue.

;-) ... you just made it interesting again ...

After stating that I hadn't even referenced his "personal" comment past my initial response ... bismarckmajivo responds with something left field :



Which has nothing to add regarding the "debate" as you put it, and effectively ended any valid contributions he may or may not have been able to add, hence me becoming bored with the "Debate".

Here's my standpoint, I don't like Mutilate, I don't like the fact that it's a dagger skill, I don't like that it uses so much energy, I don't like the fact that I must be behind the mobs to use it. That is a standpoint which I have reflected here exhaustively, and STILL, I'm told that I'm not explaining myself.

The thing is, You're going to have people who like Dagger style play, and people who like Sword Style Play. I like swords, a certain minority like daggers. Fact - swords perform better for sustained overall DPS.

So what are we discussing here, whether (1)Mutilate is as good as sword skills, or whether (2)Mutilate is nicer to play than swords. If (1), asked and answered. If (2) .. you'll never get agreement, only Points of View.

So if YOU think I've "lost the debate", good for you. I didn't realise it WAS a debate, merely an exchange of points of view.

Edited, Jul 5th 2008 4:39pm by robertlofthouse

No if you aren't Combat in raids you are a bad Rogue.

The entire point of being a Rogue is that we do damage, alot of damage, more than basically any other class.

If you go into a raid as a spec that does less as optimal damage you are bad.

End of story.



FTFY

Nothing to see for you on my amory. But ever heard about the PTR's?

Even if I were a bad rogue, I'm a better man. That matters more to me in the end. But let me inquire again; is there any good reason for you being an *******?

You've downed Illidan on the PTR?

Damn, you're good.

Oh, wait.

I'm an ******* because it attracts attention on this forum. All I have to do is not be wrong and people will listen to me.

Sad as you may think it is, people listen to me here because even though I'm an *******, I'm nearly always right.

You can check out what I've done for this forum though; we have what's most likely the most educated class forum on Allakhazam.

RPZip might make up for the warrior forum, but I doubt it. He knows more than I do, but the regulars in the warrior forum other than Quor don't know that much.

My armory and all of the threads I've posted on this forum are enough to back up what I've said.

Hai, me Rival, you bad. End.


99% of the good players in this game are either Rival and above in arena, or are in T6.

Which is it for you?

Edited, Jul 5th 2008 2:11pm by Theophany

You continue to defend a point that has been proven wrong.

Combat Sword/Fists is the best DPS build for PvE. Mutilate is not.

End of Story. Thats all there is to it. So please shut the **** up.

Allow me to offer an additional perspective to this point. What Theo said is a personal thing to me, seeing as how I started WoW at the start of my military career. If anyone in here knows anything about the military lifestyle, you will be aware that lots of extinuating circumstances arise frequently. As i type this, im sitting on a ship somewhere in Persian Sea area. I haven't played WoW for almost 5 months... for those few of us in the military, WoW is a welcome break from the **** we have to deal with on a day to day basis, so when i go on deployments, it depresses me because i can't play with my friends and family.

Though having a good rating and being in t6 speaks volumes for your skill, nothing - not even in WoW - is in black and white. I can't have a dedicated time to be raiding since my schedule is at the mercy of the government. And as far as arena goes, finding a good partner or 2 is very hard to find. And again, my schedule and infrequent play time prevents a lot of progression there. My nomadic lifestyle prevents me from gearing up as much as other players. But do I think I suck because I'm not rocking T6 or full venge or w/e? No I don't. I usually dont think players are great or suck unless i can see them play firsthand. Gear doesn't always tell the tale... but talent specs do as they are reflection on your knowledge and efficiency of your own class.

But I get kind of offended by comments that say you're not good unless you're rival or t6 geared. The ultimate say so is how that player plays. Though sticking to the OP- Mutilate is fun, decent at pvp, decent at pve but it is not optimum for either. It's plain as day... but in the end you pick which style you want to play. If you're not looking to soar to great heights in either pvp or pve, then mutilate is fine. If you're truly good, you can make anything be good.

"Im an artist. Get me a ******* tuba and I'll get you something out of it."-John Lennon.

That's what I've been trying to say. I understand Theo's point of view in that topic around general chat, I don't like playing with complete idiots either. But Gear /=/ skill. Even if I prefer daggers above other weapons, that doesn't mean I'm without skill. If I was using no weapons at all, sure, then yell at me. Like somebody said in this topic earlier, you need to make a balance between keeping the game fun and being competent. As long as I can kill things, daggers are a fine balance for me.

Look, there's not terribly much to this game. This late in the game we had spreadsheets to tell you what rotation to use, gear guides, talent guides, etc. - your job is not very complicated. One of the few vestiges of skill remaining is knowing how to gear, drawing the balance between this stat and that, and your weapon is the most important part of any gear set. Unfortunately, it's also the component that determines your playstyle almost completely.